I'm not one of those from Anp (I'm assuming you're referring to the don & black angelo from those boards, who obviously had incredible amounts of outfit knowledge). I joked about my family relations due to the fact that this guy kept pressuring me, thinking I was going to openly say something like "oh I'm Joe batters grandkid" or "I'm cerones nephew" or something like that, which I would obviously never ever do. I am related to alleged gangsters, but that isn't important.

Everyone in Chicago is a "fanboy" of mooney giancana, not just the dickheads over at anp. he was the most beloved boss the outfit ever knew. To this day when his name comes up an outfit gangster will shed a tear & tip their hat to the man. He was a legend, fearless, had balls the size of cantelopes, and he'd get out there and fight for his men. Joe batters was known to the street gangster as some crotchety old man who owned a mansion and had no connection whatsoever to the street.

But I digress, like I said, one need only to look at the family secrets dinner photo at the Sicily to see AIUPPA at the head of the table, where the boss sits, with accardo in the consigliere spot to the right of him. It's not rocket science guys

lol Joe B had more power in the outfit then mooney could dream of, fuck the picture all on has to do when compareing JB to mooney is see who's head got blown the fuck up and who died in his bed like real powerful boss do, ie rica and accardo. Your right its not "rocket scinece" to see that JB had the real power. Sam had balls the size of elephants but so did 99% of all the rest of the outfit bosses, the difference in power is mooney had a lot but JB had it all......soliai

Err.......no

And posts like that, from goof stooges like black here that have watched the film casino one too many times, is why your little forum will never, ever be taken seriously by people that actually know what they're talking about.

Lol well Sam kept Obrien/Cerone under for a long time, never let them rise up, wouldn't let Obrien have his Melrose Park, so when he went away and Milwaukee Phil passed, the Obrien/Cerone faction made their move. They had to kill Sam, he would have started a war and would have never ever accepted a number two position to someone like Joey Obrien, whom he could not stand, which is well documented. So to answer your goofball ridiculous question, I think anyone would have murdered Sam, they were terrified of him. They just had to wait until Ricca passed to do the deed.

Black cmon bud you gotta come with some real knowledge, some real discussion material. Enough with the romanticism, you're just a fanboy from Nebraska or something lolol

200 is my max number, yes. 90 is my minimum. The outfit themselves would love for people to think its around 20-30 but it isn't. Marcello, sarno, and inendino alone made 20-30 new Cicero family members before Jimmy went away. You have to take into account Chinatown & The Heights & Grand Ave as well. Elmwood is the only crew not making new members, all those guys are up on the shelf for the time being

Lol 200 made guys, not total. Total including soldiers & associates were looking at a number closer to 2,000

Also, titles didnt mean much during the Ricca/Giancana era (the prime). During Aiuppa's reign, they started to hold more meaning, as each crew became independent unto itself.

I don't understand why you guys don't think there are that many guys here in Chicago. With Chicago being a huge city, tons of corruption, and large Italian population. What's so surprising? I know it's annoying when people say "im from Chicago " but that's a reason ricobenes knows this stuff