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Re: Election 2012
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/08/12 08:20 PM
11/08/12 08:20 PM
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123JoeSchmo
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Great post, JoeSchmo  . Thanks PB  And just like everyone else here I want the President to succeed, I want the USA to succeed. But in order for that to happen President Obama must move toward the middle just like the House has to move towards the middle. It can't be super left or super right or we will see a repeat of the previous four years.
"Don't ever go against the family again. Ever"- Michael Corleone
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/08/12 08:41 PM
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I don't think Romney lost the election so much as Obama won it. The exit polls show that Obama matched or exceeded his winning margin with the groups he won with in 2008. Unfortunately for the Republicans they got high on their own supply of thinking that 2008 was a fluke. It wasn't. The Republicans didn't think minority voters would come out again. They did. And they didn't think young voters of any group would come out again. They did. Rasmussen and Rove were full of it. 59% of the white vote used to be enough to win the Presidential election. It no longer is. It is going to take some time for Republicans to process that information. It is questionable as to whether they are capable of changing policies or at the very least changing the marketing of those policies. I hope that they do. Either way it will be an entertaining thing to watch. If they don't then they had better get used to losing presidential elections. But changing demographics aside, the Republicans lost the Rust Belt and Upper Midwest which has not yet seen the sort of population shifts that took place in California, the Southwest and NY. Tons of whites in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and other areas that have Republican governors turned out to vote for Obama. Part of the reason was the auto bailout and especially the lies that a desperate Romney told about Jeeps and China. The Republicans have catered to a shrinking base and have allowed themselves to be painted/acted as racist 1%'ers who would drive over their grandmother to pick a nickel off the road. You simply can't go around calling the President a skinny ghetto crackhead or say 47% of people aren't sh** or say rape is no big deal or talk about self-deportation and then be surprised when people who may be in one of those groups you just insulted don't vote for you. As the post-election bitter ugly comments by Nugent, O'Reilly, Trump, Limbaugh, Fred Barnes and others show there is a certain Republican demographic that won't change and can't change. But they'll be dead soon enough.  The next crop of Republicans will hopefully be savvier and smarter.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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11/08/12 09:16 PM
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I really think Romney & the entire GOP were shocked that Mitt didn't win. Rove was crunching numbers like crazy, Mitt didn't concede immediately and all the Republican pundits were taken by surprise. FWIW I heard today on MSNBC that some of the Romney campaign people who left the arena after Mitt lost, couldn't use their campaign credit card for a cab home. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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11/08/12 09:33 PM
11/08/12 09:33 PM
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FWIW I heard today on MSNBC that some of the Romney campaign people who left the arena after Mitt lost, couldn't use their campaign credit card for a cab home. Just as well..... they got a free ride for a year for doing nothing.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Just Lou]
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11/08/12 11:41 PM
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Ha ha ha!!  What's Biden doing? He IS walking like Igor. That's funny. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/09/12 10:16 AM
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Base: TRAITOR!!! Hannity: I've 'evolved' on Immigration ReformSean Hannity said Thursday he has “evolved” on immigration and now supports a “pathway to citizenship.” Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday afternoon that the United States needs to “get rid of the immigration issue altogether.” “It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.”
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: afsaneh77]
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11/09/12 11:53 AM
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j Ha ha ha ha!!!!  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/09/12 12:16 PM
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That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all  . The electoral college is confusing enough for Americans, I can only imagine how confused the rest of the world is.  TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/09/12 12:19 PM
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afsaneh77
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That map is scary. Maybe the Electoral College isn't such a bad idea after all  . Well, if it was up to square foot it was, but then it is based on the population. I mean it's not like Obama didn't get the popular vote as well. He got over 3 million votes more than Romney. I said I don't like this electoral college system, but it's a good way to have election results fast, for such a huge country like the US, when there's a clear winner and loser. If not, just as popular vote, the electoral college could end up like year 2000.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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11/09/12 12:22 PM
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Posts: 13,145 East Tennessee
ronnierocketAGO
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Btw, anyone know if FL has been called yet (officially?) and if so, that brings President Obama up to what 330ish EVs?  TIS One of our locals posted that the Willard campaign conceded on Florida. The President will end with 332 EVs. The only state from '08 he lost was North Carolina, and the other EVs he lost via the Census.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: afsaneh77]
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11/09/12 12:24 PM
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So, in short it IS an EV landslide for Obama after all making Nate Silver right? Last I saw a what, 3mil. popular vote difference?? TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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