In the book Murder Machine it says that Roy DeMeo was killed at one of Patty Testa's garages by Nino Gaggi, and also by Joey Testa and Anthony Senter.
However, in the more recent (2008) biography of Casso, he states that Roy was killed at Patty Testa's house in Flatlands, and that he was killed by Testa and Senter themselves as he was about to receive a cup of coffee. It says that Nino Gaggi wasn't even there during it. However, he almost certainly ordered Senter and Testa to do the hit.
Which is correct? Murder Machine or Casso's biography? (Which do you think?)

I believe Casso's version.
The contract was first given to Gotti who couldnt get close to him then to Frank DeCicco who couldnt get to Roy either, finally DeCicco went to Paul Castellano and suggested reaching out to Anthony Casso (who knew the Testa's).
A deal was struck where the Gemini twins would whack Roy and they would then go to work for Casso.
The Twins really didnt have a choice, when the boss of bosses wants someone gone you do as your told - if they hadnt killed Roy then they would have been killed themselves.
Roy supposedly went to a meeting at Patty Testa's house where he let his guard down as he felt safe amongst 3 of his best men.
He was seated and about to recieve coffee when Joey and Anthony opened fire.
Albert Demeo later said his father had a hole in his hand which suggested Roy saw it coming and threw his hands to cover his face in a final futile act.

Ya I believe that too. I really have a hard time believing that Nino Gaggi was there and actually performed the hit himself. And ya thats true about the Gemini Twins, they would have been dead if they didn't do it.

I agree with Gary... Casso's version seems more in tune with how it could have gone down.

Many theory's are behind DeMeo's murder. One Theory was Paul Castellano had put a contract on DeMeo and John was willing to do it. Sammy Gravano had said in court that Frank DeCicco was behind DeMeo's murder but cannot get to him. The Other Theory was that DeMeo's own crew were given the job due to the fact they were closer and bigger than DeMeo lol.

What page is this DeMeo on in the paperback version of Casso's book? Damn thing doesn't have an index, and I don't feel like going through it page by page to find it.

thanks in advance

According to Anthony Casso's 2008 biography, DeMeo was killed at Patrick Testa's East Flatbush home by Joseph Testa and Anthony Senter following an agreement with Casso, who was given the contract by Gotti and DeCicco after they were unable to kill DeMeo during the fall of 1982. The Casso biography notes that DeMeo was seated, about to receive coffee, when Testa and Senter opened fire. Anthony Gaggi was not present.

John was terrified of Demeo and it was actually caught on wiretape. In 1982 Gene said taht John was wary of taking on Demeo because he had an army of killers

In any case, Al DeMeo said that Roy left all his jewelry and wallet ( I think??) the day he went. I'm not sure it would have mattered if Nino was there or not; he just had to know that whatever he was set to do that day, could likely be his last. I recall reading somewhere that Tony Spilotro did something similar?

What a feeling that must be, just walking into the lion's den. Talk about accepting your fate!

I don't know about leaving behind valuables but I think either Tony Spilotro said something to his loved ones like "If I'm not back by night, something very bad has happened."

Sonny Black is the one guy who was famous for leaving behind his jewelry and whatnot. They show Lefty doing this in the movie, but it was really Sonny Black if I remember right.

Yup that was sonny Black. Also i think Danny Grillo of the demeo crew did something like that. He made sure he said goodbye to his family before he left to be killed

Why do you think did they change that in the movie? If Sonny Black was in that scene instead of Lefty, it wouldn't be less impressive.

Hollywood always makes changes, their films are never totally true to the books.
They change whatever they think will juice it up for the audience!

Lately, I have been exchanging emails with a son of a made guy who passed away in the 1980s. He recently told me about a friend of his father´s (this friend was also a made member) who was killed in the 1950s.
I have promised not to mention any names, so I will not do that. But this story is powerful so I thought I´ll share it with you.

"My father had told me a story of a guy being killed, shortly after being made, for breaking one of the rules. Over the years, I got a few more details. After he was killed, his wife moved into our building, or maybe she was already neighbor and my family did not know her. Anyway, my mother and her became friendly, both being mothers with children in the same playground, and being neighbors. The wife said that in weeks before he was killed, he had set up a small religious shrine, and the night he went out and got killed, he was on his knees praying to it before leaving. He would not tell her what was the matter. But somehow he had a feeling that he was going to get killed."

because lefty was a major character as where sonny was more of a supporting character.

Well decicco was the one who really passed teh contract on. Gotti was scared shitless of demeo. In fact Big Paul orginally asked gotti to do it but Gotti tried to duck this assignment and gave his reservations about it and lucky for gotti paul forgot about it. Im not saying Gotti wasnt tough but he did fear certain people

I'm not sure Gotti "feared" DeMeo and that's why he passed on the hit...remember he killed Castellano who had the backing of the entire Gaggi crew.

What was the Gotti quote again.."you don't lie, if you lie it means you fear someone..I don't lie" - or something like that!

Maybe not fear, but he was likely nervous about taking on DeMeo considering everyone in DeMeo's circle were psychopathic killers

Possibly....although there were a fair share of killers in the Gotti crew - the Carneglias, Willie Boy, Gravano etc and you'd have to work on the assumption that the demeo crew would risk an unsanctioned hit on Gotti just to avenge demeo's murder.

I reckon it was more of a hidden lack of willingness to do Castellano any favours - if Gotti could get out of any situation which might help Castellano, he would've at that point. Remember, Castellano wanted Demeo dead incase he turned infomant, so what's Gotti to gain in carrying out the hit if he could avoid it?

Yeah but gotti was always a talker lol. Gotti always talked tough and he was tough but its pretty clear from FBI bugs that Gotti wanted no part of Demeo. also in regards to Castellano remember Paul was very vulnerable at taht time. Roy was dead, Gaggi was in jail, and frank decicco and sammy joined gotti so it wasnt that tough to take him out

i do no think gravano was in gotti's crew before they whacked out big paulie.. just what ive heard.. thought i would share....

this is regarding fergie's post.

thats right sammy was actually in Toddo Aurello's crew. I might have mispelled the name but thats the guy he was under from 1976-1985

I agree, I believe the Gemini Twins(Joey&Anthony)cause as you said they went to work for Casso soon after and then were made in that family ,just from what Ive heard and read..

I know Joey was made but did Senter get made also??

Great quote.
I've always thought that Castellano had the Gemini twins kill DeMeo, no one else having been considered.

Senter couldn't b made

y not??

Richard Kuklinski the "ICEMAN" also claims to have killed Roy Demeo

Kuklinski was responsible for every mob related murder in NY nad NJ from 1960 to 1986 if you believe him!

He wasn't italian.they say it in either murder machine or cassos book.im pretty sure he couldn't b made