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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: m2w] #659484
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Originally Posted By: m2w


biagio di giacomo they are talking to is the member of the patriarcas?


That's right. He married a Caramazza as well.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #659589
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Jus wanna say thanks to Muk, Hairyknuckles and everyone else who contributed to these charts. Im sure they took alot of time and work and they are awesome!!
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #660760
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This thread is great, many thanks to whom posted it, sorry I dont know names yet I am new here, but Ive read many books that Ive seen in the thread about the mob books, also a big film buff of the topic... I have one question, I dont know if this was dicussed or even on here some-where, but is there any-where I can see Family Charts, but from the 50's when Valacci flipped, and layed out everything and most of the first Family Charts were put together.?

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Fat_Ralph] #660763
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Originally Posted By: Fat_Ralph
This thread is great, many thanks to whom posted it, sorry I dont know names yet I am new here, but Ive read many books that Ive seen in the thread about the mob books, also a big film buff of the topic... I have one question, I dont know if this was dicussed or even on here some-where, but is there any-where I can see Family Charts, but from the 50's when Valacci flipped, and layed out everything and most of the first Family Charts were put together.?


Ralph, go to page 2 on this forum. Scroll down, almost to the bottom. Click on the "Charts from 60s and 70s" thread.
Here you will find the famous charts that were used in the Valachi Senate Hearings of 1963. The charts are not 100 percent accurate and a lot of names are missing. But the charts are legendary, first of its kind.

Welcome aboard!

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: HairyKnuckles] #660797
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Originally Posted By: Fat_Ralph
This thread is great, many thanks to whom posted it, sorry I dont know names yet I am new here, but Ive read many books that Ive seen in the thread about the mob books, also a big film buff of the topic... I have one question, I dont know if this was dicussed or even on here some-where, but is there any-where I can see Family Charts, but from the 50's when Valacci flipped, and layed out everything and most of the first Family Charts were put together.?


Ralph, go to page 2 on this forum. Scroll down, almost to the bottom. Click on the "Charts from 60s and 70s" thread.
Here you will find the famous charts that were used in the Valachi Senate Hearings of 1963. The charts are not 100 percent accurate and a lot of names are missing. But the charts are legendary, first of its kind.

Welcome aboard!


Thanks Knucks really appreciate it, I must've slid right by em.....

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #660836
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I would love an update on the charts from 70s-80s/80s-90s, if at all possible..

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #661055
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Anybody know where I can purchase the Family Charts framed for decorating.?

It would be a huge help..

-Ralph.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #661077
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there are websites where you can upload a picture and buy it as a poster or framed.but it will cost you if you dont have a coupon.

http://www.posterjack.com/ this is a german site,but as yuou can see its expensive.for german sites there are a lot of Vouchers.maybe for your location too.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: bladerkeks] #661078
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Originally Posted By: bladerkeks
there are websites where you can upload a picture and buy it as a poster or framed.but it will cost you if you dont have a coupon.

http://www.posterjack.com/ this is a german site,but as yuou can see its expensive.for german sites there are a lot of Vouchers.maybe for your location too.


Thanks bro, Ill look into it..

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Dwalin2011] #662292
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
I prepared a chart of the Porto Empedocle family as it was in 1997 according to what is written in the books I have. I chose this group because it was one of the few whose (almost) complete membership I managed to find and the only one for which I have enough photos. I know, there is no consigliere but the informants Pasquale Salemi and Alfonso Falzone (the underboss) for some reason never named one to the police. The family was in disarray in the 90s though after many members were killed by the stidda. Also, I put Domenico Seddio above the other associates on the picture because he was named by Pasquale Salemi as the most powerful one.
However, correct me please if I made any mistakes.

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I totally forgot to get back to this. With regard to Pasquale Salemi, he was taken out of wit sec and thrown in jail because he had told a lot of mistruths, as authorities had come to find out later on. And he withheld a lot of info he had, as well... such as a name for the consigliere.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #664273
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Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Dear forum members, i am back with the charts. All the 5 NY families are done and updated to today.
As always, it may not be 100% accurate, so all feedback is welcome.

Other families Like Kansas City, Philly and New England will follow soon.

These are High-Res JPG versions, you need to download them from the following links.

New York 5 Mafia families:

Bonanno Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/4d4b8643/Bonanno Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Colombo Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/508241558/Colombo Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Gambino Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/ac3a1609/Gambino Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Genovese Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/ae612639/Genovese Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Lucchese Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/60cb2629/Lucchese Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Other families:

New England Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/e05cb737/New England Patriarca Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

NJ DeCavalcante Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/d244f1002/NJ DeCavalcante Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Detroit Partnership-Combination Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/70d3d1004/Detroit Partnership-Combination Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Kansas City Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/117a21054/Kansas City Cosa Nostra Family.jpg

Philadelphia Family:
Under development.

Commission chart 1931:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/898e51343/1931 The Commission.pdf

Apalachin summit:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/0c2861304/Apalachin Mafia summit chart.jpg

Cosa Nostra USA Map:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/b8eeb438/American Cosa Nostra Family Map.jpg

Contact me:
sehzade_mukremin@hotmail.com


"ROM" Romminello (geneovese capo) is a really really nice guy.

And I am 95% sure Vinny Azuro (listed as a soldier in the Bonnano's)is actually a capo...he was in trouble like 10 years ago and the newspapers had him listed as a capo.
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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #664945
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Thanks guys, i am back from vacation. It wasnt any part of my plans, but i tried to read topics while i was away. Did i miss any major news? I heard that Matty passed away..

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Dapper_Don] #666903
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What information is available about Joey Flowers, besides he died In May of 2005 ...just curious
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675023
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Heres the updated Bonanno chart guys, take a look:
Bonanno Family:
Download: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/b1031352389258.html

View: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Bonanno_Cosa_Nostra_Family.jpg

the files are big, so it may take a while before downloading or viewing

Last edited by Mukremin; 11/08/12 10:43 AM.
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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675028
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Nice chart, but I think Vito Grimaldi and Vincent Asaro are caporegimes at least.

Read this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-capeci/mob-murder-in-montreal-co_b_417688.html

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675030
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I always thought the same about Asaro, but couldnt find a good source to back it up. I still have my doubts about Grimaldi tough.

What do you think about Vinny TV and Graziano? They still hold the position of Acting Boss and Consiglieri?

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675089
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Jerry Capeci lists Asaro as a capo. The Asaro family hail from Castellammare Del Golfo and have been part of the Bonanno family since the beginning. I see you do list Asaro's son, Jerome as a caporegime. Imo, you should switch them.

I don't know whether Vinny TV is still acting boss, but he's only serving a short sentence.

About Grimaldi I'm not sure. He could be consigliere.

"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Sonny_Black] #675096
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Mukremin, your chart looks great. Graziano was indicted as a captain. It doesn´t seem like Grimaldi is a captain but please don´t quote me on that, because it´s pretty hard to know for sure. My personal belief is that Vincent Asaro does not serve as a captain any longer. But who knows, he may be in the administration serving as consigliere or underboss, or is in semi retirement. Extremely hard to know for sure.

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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
My personal belief is that Vincent Asaro does not serve as a captain any longer. But who knows, he may be in the administration serving as consigliere or underboss, or is in semi retirement. Extremely hard to know for sure.


But do you think that he is below his own son in the Bonanno family hierarchy?

"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675153
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some soldiers report directly to the boss and in the 70tys. big paul had soldiers like funzi mosca and d.b. report direct to him gotti had guys like that to maybe its alot more common today. some of these old guys made in the 50tys there still active but are only soldier i bet there word holds more weight and are more respected then a 45 yr old capo who was made 10yrs ago. bonanno's have to have a street boss they got atleast 60+ guys in the street maybe a capo volunteerd just to right the ship not even for money or power.steps down as soon as a boss comes home or selected. ever since carmine persico been in prison he finds someone to step up.scarpa said in the 70tys persico had dibella step in as acting boss just cause persico wasnt offical boss yet.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675215
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Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Heres the updated Bonanno chart guys, take a look:
Bonanno Family:
Download: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/b1031352389258.html

View: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Bonanno_Cosa_Nostra_Family.jpg

the files are big, so it may take a while before downloading or viewing


I had thought Joe Cammarano and Sammartino were out of jail along with Jerry Chilli

Last edited by 123JoeSchmo; 11/08/12 07:52 PM.
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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Sonny_Black] #675285
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
My personal belief is that Vincent Asaro does not serve as a captain any longer. But who knows, he may be in the administration serving as consigliere or underboss, or is in semi retirement. Extremely hard to know for sure.


But do you think that he is below his own son in the Bonanno family hierarchy?


If he is semi retired, then yes. Asaro is extremely hard to figure out. He is pushing 80.

Another thing that´s intresting is the rank of Aiosa. According to Vitale, Aiosa was just a soldier. Muk, do you know for sure if Aiosa was made captain sometime after Vitale´s testimony?

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675287
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I am not sure about Grimaldi, but i still have my doubts about Asaro. He may not hold the official rank of a capo, but he could be in a ruling panel or just a soldier with more power.

I will correct the mistakes soon, i can see that some capos and soldiers have been released from prison.

By the way, Vinny TV was also listed as a capo during the arrest right?

Concerning Aiosa, he was a capo way before Vitale. It could be that during the later years of Massino, he was bumped down to soldier. And currently he may be holding the rank of Capo. Dont got any accurate source on that, just assuming.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675301
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Originally Posted By: Mukremin

By the way, Vinny TV was also listed as a capo during the arrest right?


I haven´t seen or read the indictment but Badalamenti is most certainly a captain.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #675302
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So Vincent Asaro's son, Jerome, is a caporegime in the Bonanno family?

"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Sonny_Black] #676863
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sonny-yes. jerry skippers that crew.his dad is just a soldier. he has another uncle, jerome, whos made too.tv was the boss since 2010. that guy balsamo from staten island had his crew.
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #676968
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Balsamo is an acting Capo, Vinny tv was the acting boss.

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #676997
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that is what i said.
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #677232
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Heres more updated charts

Bonanno Family:
Download: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/hF ... 69238.html
Direct Image: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Bo ... Family.jpg

Colombo Family:
Download: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/Ol ... 69229.html
Direct Image: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Co ... Family.jpg

Gambino Family:
Download: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/19 ... 69242.html
Direct Image: http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Ga ... Family.jpg

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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) [Re: Mukremin] #677290
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Last edited by Mukremin; 11/17/12 05:07 PM.
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