The guys with the * are the confirmed made guys from my knowledge, probably number around 40. The 28 member figure was from 2007.

Im thinking around 30 made and perhaps an additional ten who have the status but no ceremony ie Sarno,Feriolla,etc

even if the some guys are not made they have the power/influence of some soldiers.

Sorry, but you're wrong, bud. The feds don't know much at all, actually. Maybe in NY cause guys are flipping right & left & getting caught with their dick out, but 90% in Chicago where nobody talks & nobody gets arrested is ridiculous. These are the same feds that legitimately thought Joe fucking Lombardo was the head of the outfit, when in reality, he ran its weakest crew. 40-50 made guys is a very low estimate.

For the last time nick ferriola has no status lol

@fried yes the valparaiso area & any type of gambling in Indiana, along with the casinos out there, belong mainly to the Heights. I personally know absolutely nothing about that family, other than they mainly deal with each other now, and sometimes Cicero.

I get a little lost when people refer to separate families in the Outfit. Are these 'families' not just autonomous crews? How was a split in to multiple 'families' allowed to happen. Thanks

Okay Barrett, excellent question, and I will try & explain this fascinating situation as best I can:

During the Outfit's arguable peak (the Giancana period), it was ran as one family. Sure, it was much larger, & there were more crews than the current 5, but no matter what happened, Ricca/Giancana had a final say in pretty much everything that took place. This proved detrimental, obviously, to the Outfit's longevity & well being, so during the mid to late 70s, Aiuppa/Cerone/Accardo constructed a different type of system, one where each crew was separately insulated and an entity unto itself, a "family", if you will, with Cicero & Elmwood Park being the two heaviest of these families, and Grand Ave, Chinatown, & the Heights being the three sub families, which continues to this day. Aiuppa also implemented people he trusted at the head of each family. In doing this, he allowed the outfit much more breathing room and insulation. LaPietra, Lombardo, Cerone, etc were all technically beneath Aiuppa & his Cicero family, but ran their own crews as if they were separate families entirely. IE, if you were/are a Chinatown soldier, you have no business fraternizing with an Elmwood soldier. You deal with members of your own family & answer to your boss. Likewise, the boss of, say, Grand Ave doesn't have to get everything okd by the top boss. He controls is crew as if it were his own private family, obtains much more power/control/responsibility. Families were in turn almost encouraged to not associate with members of other families, very similar to the NY set up, obviously on a much smaller, more secretive scale. Hope that helps, any other questions, please ask.

hey rico does the outfit involved with any families in other cities or is it just chicago area today?

Sure they do

Which ones might I ask? I could see something like Gary, Indiana but I thought they were long defunct in places like Omaha, Des Moines, Milwaukee, and Vegas where they once had crews.

Doubt they have anything in Gary. Almost all black there

Nothing is ever defunct in Vegas lol, especially these days with how gigantic it is, they're still out there. LA area as well as San Diego, and KC, MO, Cleveland, and I'm sure some guys rub elbows with ny & philly/ny guys, but that's nothing new. Outfit has always had heavy interests in Mexico, Caribbean, central America, and especially aruba and south America as well.

I must remind you guys that Rico was caught lying recently. Just saying...

No I wasn't, al capone is my cousin haha we went to da bears game on Sunday. This clown just crawls right out of the woodwork ehh

That´s funny! Where have you been the last two weeks or so? I bet you´ve been lurking around in the dark but haven´t been able to post. Howcome?
And yes, you were caught lying. How can you deny that?

Where have I been? What the hell kind of question is that? What do you care? First you want to know where I "get my information from", then what I do during my spare time. What's next? Want my address & telephone number? And I don't recall ever lying. I do, however, recall clowning on some puny little goofball though, that I remember...

Sorry guys but yall sound like a couple! kidding!cheers

Ricobenes comes across as a blatant liar to me, giving out all this information like there facts when he has no proof.

Let me guess, your from Chicago Rico? Just because Chicago is now one of the smaller families you try and make things up, very sad individual.

Well, he´s certainly an individual who´s got his facts wrong that´s for sure.

Rico, you are still not going to answer any of my questions are you? Being defensive does not help you in any way, I can tell you that. Why don´t you just admit that your sources are in fact crazy ideas popping up in your head while reading comic books and taking baths?
You are living in a fantasy world, pretending to be a wiseguy who knows stuff about the outfit just because you "heard things on the street". It´s time to wake up and smell the coffey my friend. Get back to reality, get real and stop bullshitting about the outfit being an all mighty gang with pull throughout the US, Mexico, Carribean, Central America etc. You look like a fool.

One more thing. I hope I´m not hurting your feelings...but Giancana was a muppet!

Giancana was a muppet alright,BUT one of the best muppets around at the time

I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons.

Supposedly Frank Nitti was boss after capone until his suicide apparently to avoid prison because he was claustrophobic .

I always thought Ricca and Accardo were of equal status in the Outfit?

This is just my opinion...you can read in many Chi Outfit books or docs or what ever,that on the meetings Ricca always had the last word.I remember Chuck Giancana sayin in his book that even as kids they knew that Ricca was the real thing not Nitti,now why would he lie about that?!.My opinion is that Nitti was a front boss for the Chi commission.Ricca and Accardo were the young turks,takin over things at the time.One time Ricca went to jail and Accardo busted his ass of work to get Ricca out,so what does that tell ya?!

I like how you start off by saying it's your opinion then present it as fact . Anyway...you're probably right i barely know anything about Chicago haven't read any books on them. I probably hearrd that in a cheesy documentary

Youre not the first one sayin that but...what can i do?!

Okay is this hairyknuckles guy the officially appointed thread derailer around here or something? Just constantly sticking his nose where he knows he's not welcomed. Am I getting what do you people call it, trolled and I didn't even know it? Hahahaha

Guys, take this stuff off the boards. If you can't speak to each other civilly then ignore each other.

Toodoped no offense pal you seem like a nice guy but you're completely lost

Yes camarel nitti certainly became boss after capone left, and was really the top guy during capones last few years. Nitti was really a very intelligent, rational guy, and I believe would have became the long reigning boss with Ricca by his side. Ricca said he learned a lot of his aesthetics from Nitti. But like you said, the can was just too much for him, and he would have rather died than flipped, Chicago style

No Accardo was never, ever on the level of Ricca haha, and they were never young turks together. Accardo was a mid level level Taylor street guy that moved up to the Patch (grand ave) during the prime of Taylor st & Giancana/Ricca's 42 Gang. It then became Taylor St. vs Grand Ave during that period back then, with Accardo/Cerone heading Grand Ave (the weaker crew) & Giancana/Ricca controlling Taylor st, which was the absolutely powerhouse. Giancana was Paul's protege, and Jackie Cerone was Accardo's. There was a ton of hate on Grand Ave & Cicero back then because they were the two weakest crews, and it ended coming back to bite Sam in the ass when he came home, as Aiuppa's Cicero had ironically become the dominant crew in a very short period of time (joey o was one power hungry guy). Things changed rather quickly & drastically when Giancana went away & Aiuppa was free to place his trusted Cicero guys where old Taylor st guys previously sat pretty. Chinatown is a prime example of that. Hope that helps.

Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha