SC understood buddy I'm done with this specimen hahaha

On the chart it says they have operatives in Italy. Is that true?

First of all thanx for the compliments,second i dont agree on the part that Ricca and the others learned a lot from Nitti,they considered him as an idiot and third...who the f**k sad somethin about the present outfit?!Im talkin about the past,the Giancana times and yes,in thouse times they couldve improt cocaine even from Venezuela if they wanted to

Eyes, yes I'm sure that's true.

Also no one ever considered frank Nitti an idiot honestly where in shit's name do you kids come up with this crapola?

And I wasn't responding to you with the modern outfit stuff, that was someone else. Other people post here......crazy right?

Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha

^^^ Who are you refering to here?

"Import cocaine" Hahaha "yes ill have seventy kilos of fishscale, please. That will be debit"

I don't know, I forget, someone who got their panties bunched up on the last page, I'm starting to lose count haha!!!!

You like to fly dont you?

I like traveling

I like strip clubs.Say hello to your family from me. im off!cheers

have you seen this chart ricobenes?
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7967/outfitt.gif

Chicago has always had a relationship with Detroit as well. There is a Detroit solider living in the West Burbs of Chicago, but I don't know the arrangement the families have together.

Ahh I'm on the mobile Eyes, it won't load. Who made it and how old is it??

scott burnstein in 2010

I'm sure its the same as Cleveland or anywhere else, Fried. Couple guys rubbing elbows & breaking bread. Remember people saying "oh Cleveland is dead, collinwood is dead" and then the Fratto taps get revealed & turns out, WRONG, hahahah

Rico,

Couple of questions for you. Does the Chinatown crew have the River North area? A lot of bars, restaurants, properties have sprung up in that area in the last decade. I know the Barleycorn, Moes Cantina owner is a Bridgeport guy. A few years ago before Richie Cat passed he stopped into BOSS Bar with a young Italian bodybuilder type. I was the only guy in there that afternoon. All of the staff came up and greeted him like he was royalty. Did he have a piece of it? Also are you familiar with the Marco Island. Outfit has been going down there since the Capone days. Seems like a lot of the CME/Oakbrook guys have places down there or no?

Fried, I will not comment on the river north area, sorry. Yes Marco island has always been an outfit hotbed.

rico have you ever been to gene and georgettis

Yes of course, many times. Why?

If that's the chart that has Joe Andrich as a top guy, its pretty far off. Any chart that has Chicago as one family is going to be off, its two now. There isn't a viable outfit chart out there and probably won't be another one for quite some time. People are just gonna have to accept that for what it is.

do you think it's a mob hangout?

you should make a chart

Haha I'm not making a chart. Gene & Georgetti's of course is a hangout, that's the obvious one. Volare & the Gibson's patio are the other two in that area, amongst many others, but those are the three you will see a lot of older heavies at. The young guys have different hangouts, naturally.

Please explain this a little more. What positions do you speak of that "sat pretty". How is Chinatown a prime example of that?

Very informative. I have been looking for something like this for a while. Thanks.

Also, in this setup, how often did each crew boss meet with Aiuppa? Ever? Never? Would they have to? Could Aiuppa supersede a crew bosses decision?

Ok, I will agree to disagree on a few of those things but some of it seems solid. Which guys did Aiuppa put in to Chinatown, and who did they replace? Offhand can you name any Aiuppa loyalists that came in to power after the Giancana loyalists went away? Who were his loyalists basically.

EDIT: Yeah I have the same question as PP.

I knoe Angelo LaPietra was the South side captain for a while

Right, LaPietra was the big one. Skids Caruso ran Chinatown for almost 20 years and was "asked" to step down so that Aiuppa could implement Angelo, who nevertheless continued to take care of the Carusos & the Rotis, as Aiuppa wouldn't dare snap those 1st ward ties. Taylor st was completely deactivated & all of its action shifted down Ashland to Chinatown, with LaPietra going from mere capo in Cicero to fully fledged king of Chinatown. Melrose park was sanctioned into Elmwood park, because Aiuppa did not want a crew to be based out of his hometown, therefore making Elmwood Park the second largest crew. Cerone was given Elmwood, making him 2nd in command, with accardo continuing to act as consigliere as he always had. Lombardo who was close with Cerone was given grand ave (at an extremely young age) after accardo & Cerone left for Elmwood. Keep in mind Aiuppa reached out to accardo/Cerone when Sam & Ricca froze them all out. Aiuppa had brought Cicero back into fruition which was deemed an impossible task (which is why Sam "gave" it to him, despite Aiuppa pleading for his hometown of Melrose park). Aiuppa/Cerone/accardo had been planning to overthrow Taylor st since the early 60s, they just needed to wait out their opening. Trust that if Sam hadn't gotten unlucky Aiuppa never would have became boss.

To answer PPs questions, like I stated, Aiuppa set up the outfit like a miniature version of NY if you will. of course Aiuppa & Cerone still maintained top control and final say in serious situations, but each crew boss was given much more power, and that particular crew boss's capos became more powerful, and the crew in general. Bosses were/are encouraged to keep to themselves and encourage their soldiers not to associate with soldiers from other crews. Rarely is a Chinatown guy familiar with the inner workings of the Elmwood park crew, etc etc. for example, if you'll read through, say, Nick Calabreses testimony, he said he had met Al Tocco & Marcello (and others) for the first time during his making ceremony, in his late 40s, had never seen them or heard of them previously. That was not uncommon. If a guy from Cicero gets popped, he wont be able to give them anything on any of the other crews, and due to the intimacy of his own crew/family probably wouldn't flip (hopefully) on them either. It was pretty genius, and allows the outfit to operate in relative secrecy until this day. Carlisi/Marcello & DiFronzo did a lot to continue Aiuppas vision as well. Infelice almost ruined it for everyone haha

So im guessing there's nothing going on in taylor street today?
And do you know much about Toots Caruso? Not much about him online

Taylor street & Melrose park are just Italian neighbourhoods now, there are no crews there anymore. Cicero is very strange. The name of the crew is Cicero, but there is no business conducted in Cicero and no Italians live there anymore, they just run the town & tax the Hispanics that live there now, and the Cicero crew operates out of SW burbs.

Skids Caruso was a guy from Taylor st, strong made guy out of giancanas 42 gang. Sam gave him Chinatown when the Italians first settled into that area and Skids made it his own, married into the roti family I believe, and the rest is history. His son & namesake, you know who, current king of Chinatown is the Caruso most think of when they hear the name these days. Lapietra mentored Skids kids well and always kept them relevant down there. Skids is a legend and one of the most well respected guys in the history of the thing, tough guy, so are his kids.