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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/04/12 01:23 AM
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Let's keep this thread for the BE show. " Sorry, Excuse Me, I'm not common to message board." Figured I'd ask the consigliere. Thank you for the advice I'll check out some some stuff I hope they don't have a huge break between this season and next like they did Last year or was it the year before that I can't remember. I wonder how many seasons they would take this series as far as HBO Shows are concerned at least in the crime genre it seems 5-7 Seasons is the life of a show. Were there any shows that were ran longer than 6 or 7 seasons that anyone's familiar with.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/05/12 05:40 AM
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One touching part of the episode - when Richard brought Tommy to his girlfriend's (Julia) house and Julia's father told her to put Tommy in his son's room (which had been off-limits before). The father, in a somber and sober moment then told Richard that "soldiers don't come home like this" (or something to that effect).
He also said he would talk to her daughter, and I didn't get what Richard said. He seemed like giving up on her the way he presented himself. I know Richard is your favorite too, so any thoughts? This show has a way of making me stop caring for the main characters. It did nothing for me to care for Nucky. :/Right now, there's still Chucky, Capone, Richard and all the women in general, simply because it was a white perfect looking man's world back then and none of these characters stood a chance.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/05/12 10:49 AM
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One touching part of the episode - when Richard brought Tommy to his girlfriend's (Julia) house and Julia's father told her to put Tommy in his son's room (which had been off-limits before). The father, in a somber and sober moment then told Richard that "soldiers don't come home like this" (or something to that effect).
He also said he would talk to her daughter, and I didn't get what Richard said. He seemed like giving up on her the way he presented himself. I know Richard is your favorite too, so any thoughts? Richard said something to the effect, "as long as he's OK" (meaning the boy). He didn't want Julia's father to intervene on his behalf. I think Richard felt he dishonored himself by taking part in the murders of the gangsters. He's definitely my favorite character (followed closely by Chalky).
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/05/12 01:22 PM
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My favourite character at this point is Eli, really like him in this series. I'm glad to see that he and Nucky have come to some sort of peace now. It was a little sappy but nice to see the two of them trying to fix the car and reminiscing about their youth. Also, at the end of the episode it was nice to see Nucky tell Eli that he didn't want anyone near them that THEY don't trust.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/05/12 06:25 PM
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My favourite character at this point is Eli, really like him in this series. I'm glad to see that he and Nucky have come to some sort of peace now. It was a little sappy but nice to see the two of them trying to fix the car and reminiscing about their youth. Also, at the end of the episode it was nice to see Nucky tell Eli that he didn't want anyone near them that THEY don't trust. I always say there's nothing like witnessing your brother murder someone that brings a family closer together...  I think Eli and Nucky are like oil and water. I expect that they'll be back at each other's throats next season.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/10/12 03:30 PM
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One thing I haven't liked is how wrong they got Luciano, they made him look like some dumb sidekick nothing like how he was in real life! I agree they make him seem like an idiot They portrayed most of historical gangster characters wrong, not only Luciano. Rothstein was a sociable guy and not really a gangster, just a gambler and businessman with certain 'friends' and connections. In BE he is some sort of coldhearted "mob boss". Nucky was a corrupt politician, not a gangster and murderer. They made Torrio look like some stereotypical Italian mob boss while he was in fact a complex person and his and Capone's organization wasn't even a mafia, they accepted people of all nationalities and many non-Italians held important positions. In BE Nucky tells Jimmy that he will always be a stranger there because he's not Italian, but this simply isn't historically correct. Besides, O'Banion's gang wasn't all-Irish either, he had important Italian members while in the BE he appears as some sort of anti-Italian stereotypical Irish mobster. IMO there are too many ethnic stereotypes and hollywood cliches in the show when portraying gangsters. Lansky gives the impression of some calculating Jewish businessman but at that time he was mostly known for being a thug (he was still a teenager FFS, not some criminal mastermind à la Hyman Roth). IMO they got Al Capone right but him getting into petty fights at that point in his criminal career also seems a bit strange. Anyway, BE is pure fiction and has hardly any connections with historical reality of that time, at least as far as the world of organized crime is concerned, other than using the names of real criminals. Atlantic City at that time was peaceful, there were no major conflicts, yet alone gang wars. The massacre we saw in the final episode was way over the top. 40 or something people dead in one night in an event we don't know anything about. St. Valentine's Day massacre killed 7 and it shocked the entire nation. Also, Negroes playing important role in prohibition OC, fighting with the mafia... Makes it look like some cheap blaxploitation movie to be honest. Some plots seemed totally unrealistic to me, for example Nucky plotting the death of a mafia boss as if killing Masseria would solve any of his problems (the rest of the family would simply move on as if nothing has happened? we're supposed to believe that or what?), not to mention he had no crew of his own. Don't get me wrong, I love the show and watch it, but it could have been done soooo much better. I don't understand why they placed the series in AC and decided to have Nucky as the main character. He simply isn't interesting enough. If they wanted to make a good series about gangster violence during prohibition, the story should be focused on Chicago or New York and main characters should be guys like Capone, O'Banion, Bugs Moran, Lucky, Frankie Yale or some Jewish mobsters. Or perhaps Masseria and Maranzano, personally I would love to see series about The Castellammarese War.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/11/12 08:13 AM
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At the time of season 3 Meyer Lansky was not a teenager. He was 21 years old and already well known among his peers for being smarter than your average gangster. Rothstein was indeed a full blown gangster with interests not only in gambling and bookmaking but narcotics and bootlegging. He was an influence on both Luciano and Lansky. As far as blacks being involved in gangland violence it wasn't until the thirties that the NY white mob interests decisively took over black and Puerto Rican criminal enterprises. It wasn't until the late forties early fifties that the Outfit was able to do the same. In both instances violence was required. In the 1920s era there had just recently been the Chicago Race Riot. White newspapers of the time expressed outrage that blacks were actually fighting back. Unlike previous pogroms some whites actually died. Everybody bleeds. Like Richard Harrow, Chalky White is fictional. But he's not as much of a stretch as some might think.
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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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12/14/12 07:45 AM
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At the start of the series Lansky was still a teenager. And weren't him and Luciano too young (in season 1) to be hanging with Rothstein and going to the meetings with him?
I know that Rothstein was involved in those rackets, but being a gangster means being part of some gang or mafia-like organization, ie. being part of a crew. Rothstein had no manpower behind him and yet he talks about "waging a war". With what 'army'? Not to mention him threatening Frankie Yale.
As far as I know blacks weren't involved in major bootlegging operations. Were there ever any real major gang wars between blacks and the mafia? I don't think so, but I could be wrong of course.
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Re: BOARDWALK EMPIRE - Season 3
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02/21/13 02:19 PM
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Just finished watching this. I think its pacing as a whole is pretty one-note, and its script patterns are also quite predictable (with some exceptions - see below), but the acting is all-round excellent. Michael Stuhlbarg, though less is demanded of him than of others, steals just about every scene in which he appears. Last four episodes are great. Penultimate episode: haven't felt as tense as that since the final few episodes of The Sopranos. And I literally cheered/laughed with relief and clapped when Eli returns, tells Nucky he "made a deal... with him", and the men part for Capone. That moment of relief, when the shit's long past hitting the fan, backs are against the wall, and then the one man ballsy enough to back you shows up with words of assurance. Episode 9's hiliarious - Nucky concussed/confused, mistaking Chalky for his shoeshine.  How do people feel about the handling of Owen's death, straight after Rosetti bashes a guy's head in on the beach? A pal of mine warned me of this moment without spoiling details, saying he thought it was dreadfully handled - the emotional and dramatic weight of the scene in which Owen's body is discovered completely ruined by the all-out murder scene before it. But it worked for me; I was shocked and gutted by it - and regardless of what came before the scene, the fact that Owen's death happens off-screen seems to heighten the character's vulnerability, Masseria's threat/power and the actual stakes Nucky's dealing with. Buscemi's great.
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