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Re: school shooting
[Re: BAM_233]
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12/16/12 03:56 PM
12/16/12 03:56 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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I thought the mother's body was found in CT? She was in NJ?  There was no other adult murdered away from the school then? I agree Bam, the media has F-ed up a LOT on this story reporting heresay/unconfirmed info. I can see going after a story, but for wait for facts before you report. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: school shooting
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
#683734
12/16/12 07:33 PM
12/16/12 07:33 PM
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ThePolakVet
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The news reported the following statistic: If you bring a gun in your home, it is 22 times more likely to be used in a suicide (attempt or successful), a homicide or an accidental shooting than in self-defense.
There are some guns I just don't get the need for, and don't tell me that it's "cool". There is nothing cool about a killing machine. One of the handguns, I believe the Sig Sauer, that the gunman used had a clip with 30 rounds. You don't hunt deer or bear with that. You kill people. That's its only purpose - to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. Why would anyone outside the police or military need such a weapon? To shoot such a miserable person who goes and kills little children? I think that's the purpose of the gun to prevent yourself from being killed and to protect others. I doubt the thing that if firearms would be banned then there would be no such events. It would just make it like this - the bad guys would have guns as criminals will sell guns ilegally. And the civilians will get shot/robbed, because they won't have a thing to protect themselves. Another question is - to who you give out a gun. Make a normal mental test and if he's ok then give him the weapon out. Or just sell it to anyone who comes in the store just like a potato.
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Re: school shooting
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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12/16/12 07:36 PM
12/16/12 07:36 PM
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scarfacetm
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The news reported the following statistic: If you bring a gun in your home, it is 22 times more likely to be used in a suicide (attempt or successful), a homicide or an accidental shooting than in self-defense.
There are some guns I just don't get the need for, and don't tell me that it's "cool". There is nothing cool about a killing machine. One of the handguns, I believe the Sig Sauer, that the gunman used had a clip with 30 rounds. You don't hunt deer or bear with that. You kill people. That's its only purpose - to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. Why would anyone outside the police or military need such a weapon? Sigs usually don't come with a 30 round mag, those can usually be purchased aftermarket as high capacity mags, but alot of states have those illegal anyway.
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Re: school shooting
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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12/17/12 01:26 AM
12/17/12 01:26 AM
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ThePolakVet
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Sigs usually don't come with a 30 round mag, those can usually be purchased aftermarket as high capacity mags, but alot of states have those illegal anyway. Apparently not enough. And really? We're worried about being gunned down by criminals? The guns used in the massacres of Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech and now Newtown were all purchased LEGALLY. Apparently there are too many holes in our current laws if this can happen. Stop the bullshit. Then your country needs to stop giving out guns to idiots and give them only to normal people. My news wrote that the shooter was mentally ill with autism. How the hell did he get "legally" those guns?
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Re: school shooting
[Re: ThePolakVet]
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12/17/12 02:07 AM
12/17/12 02:07 AM
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I doubt the thing that if firearms would be banned then there would be no such events.
I guess we'll have to settle for less such events. I could live with that. I'm sure BB.Net can too. How about you?
It would just make it like this - the bad guys would have guns as criminals will sell guns ilegally. And the civilians will get shot/robbed, because they won't have a thing to protect themselves.
With our gun laws, are we any safer? It's one thing to debate if we were Western Europe regarding gun control, but WE ARE NOT. We're guns galore but damn these shootings keep happening quite regularly. And it feels like it's getting worse. I mean when Columbine happened, JESUS CHRIST! Now when these happen, we go Oh. In fact would we be as upset over this new tragedy if it wasn't for a truckload of dead little children? How many school shootings happened back in the 60s when we last had a President that was very pro-gun control? OK you had that Texas bell shooter, but...that's it? So more school shootings with more lax gun laws, i.e. more guns out there, and...yeah logic would dictate that the solution you're defending IS NOT FUCKING WORKING. Besides your defeatist rationality is pretty daft. Hey we've always had murder, and always will. Our laws against murder sure don't seem to stop them from ever happening again. Let's legalize murder. Same thing for rape and oh yeah pedophilia. Be serious.
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Re: school shooting
[Re: Mignon]
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12/17/12 02:32 AM
12/17/12 02:32 AM
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Oh and for the record, those that are seriously arguing teachers or principals should be armed...think about this seriously for a moment.
In war, how many times have we read stories about innocent civilians getting killed in battle? How about reports of friendly fire accidents? Unintentional, but THEY DO UNFORTUNATELY HAPPEN. The same goes for whenever police get into shootouts with criminals, bystanders get hit or worse.
Why? Because life isn't an action movie where you pull out a gun, plug a baddie, put gun back in holster, THE END. No anytime when guns are drawn, you have chaos with bodies moving everywhere and chaos reigns when you're responding quickly and don't have time at all to think clearly and know your surroundings. Seriously how routinely does it feel when we hear about a cop killing a guy who was reaching out for his wallet because he thought this guy was pulling out a piece?
Then there are physics at play. Ricochet bullets have hurt God knows how many folks. And you can't plan or do anything really against that. Even when people are shot, bullets can pass through and continue on their trajectories...and possibly hit other people.
And the thing is, cops and soldiers are paid, trained, and conditioned to do as best as possible in these shall we say, war zone situations. Most prepared for using their weapons to pacify a hostile enemy, i.e. eliminating.
Teachers aren't. Oh sure you can make them take a course and hope (unless legally obligated) they routinely go target practicing, but they're not soldiers or cops. Even strapped with a gun, they're not going to be in the constant self-preparing mind frame of engaging in gunfire like cops and soldiers are. They're mind frame is homework and fretting about their shit pay and wondering why they didn't go to law/medical school.
If cops and soldiers have the same accidents with bullets as I mentioned above, logic surely dictates that they would have the same problems. IF NOT WORSE. Unless you're willing to tell me with a straight face that a balding Chemistry professor or Kindergarden teacher won't fuck up?
I'll tell you all this. If the right now calling for armed teachers have their way, the next shooting happens and a teacher/principle accidentally plugs an innocent kid...what you think the public and family of such collateral damage will just shrug? No they'll be angry, demand action, and we'll be back where we are right now. Then what next, make kids wear kelvar? School metal detectors?
Why are guns banned from schools in the first place? Guns kill people, purposeful or not. Kids go to schools. Guns kill + Kids = Dead kids. That's why we banned them in the first place. Right? Sometimes there was common sense originally.
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Re: Newtown, CT School Shooting
[Re: Just Lou]
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12/17/12 07:52 AM
12/17/12 07:52 AM
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Not only was she a gun collector, apparently she was one of those crazy "doomsday preppers". She, obviously, didn't prepare herself for this. Some news stories I've seen about her paint her as an overbearing mother. Add that to a kid with Aspergers and it becomes a deadly mix.
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Re: Newtown, CT School Shooting
[Re: SC]
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12/17/12 08:17 AM
12/17/12 08:17 AM
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Posts: 8,389 Staten Island / New Jersey
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Not only was she a gun collector, apparently she was one of those crazy "doomsday preppers". She, obviously, didn't prepare herself for this. Some news stories I've seen about her paint her as an overbearing mother. Add that to a kid with Aspergers and it becomes a deadly mix. Deadly mix indeed. She was probably putting a lot of strange things inside this kid's already screwed up head, and surrounding him with weapons. Now I'm hearing he had 5 guns on him, not just 3.
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Re: school shooting
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
#683833
12/17/12 12:04 PM
12/17/12 12:04 PM
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Oh and for the record, those that are seriously arguing teachers or principals should be armed...think about this seriously for a moment.
In war, how many times have we read stories about innocent civilians getting killed in battle? How about reports of friendly fire accidents? Unintentional, but THEY DO UNFORTUNATELY HAPPEN. The same goes for whenever police get into shootouts with criminals, bystanders get hit or worse.
Why? Because life isn't an action movie where you pull out a gun, plug a baddie, put gun back in holster, THE END. No anytime when guns are drawn, you have chaos with bodies moving everywhere and chaos reigns when you're responding quickly and don't have time at all to think clearly and know your surroundings. Seriously how routinely does it feel when we hear about a cop killing a guy who was reaching out for his wallet because he thought this guy was pulling out a piece?
Then there are physics at play. Ricochet bullets have hurt God knows how many folks. And you can't plan or do anything really against that. Even when people are shot, bullets can pass through and continue on their trajectories...and possibly hit other people.
And the thing is, cops and soldiers are paid, trained, and conditioned to do as best as possible in these shall we say, war zone situations. Most prepared for using their weapons to pacify a hostile enemy, i.e. eliminating.
Teachers aren't. Oh sure you can make them take a course and hope (unless legally obligated) they routinely go target practicing, but they're not soldiers or cops. Even strapped with a gun, they're not going to be in the constant self-preparing mind frame of engaging in gunfire like cops and soldiers are. They're mind frame is homework and fretting about their shit pay and wondering why they didn't go to law/medical school.
If cops and soldiers have the same accidents with bullets as I mentioned above, logic surely dictates that they would have the same problems. IF NOT WORSE. Unless you're willing to tell me with a straight face that a balding Chemistry professor or Kindergarden teacher won't fuck up?
I'll tell you all this. If the right now calling for armed teachers have their way, the next shooting happens and a teacher/principle accidentally plugs an innocent kid...what you think the public and family of such collateral damage will just shrug? No they'll be angry, demand action, and we'll be back where we are right now. Then what next, make kids wear kelvar? School metal detectors?
Why are guns banned from schools in the first place? Guns kill people, purposeful or not. Kids go to schools. Guns kill + Kids = Dead kids. That's why we banned them in the first place. Right? Sometimes there was common sense originally. They want these lazy over paid, union thugs to suddenly become trained Navy Seals. TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: school shooting
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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12/17/12 12:15 PM
12/17/12 12:15 PM
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They want these lazy over paid, union thugs to suddenly become trained Navy Seals. TIS To whom are you referring?
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Re: school shooting
[Re: olivant]
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12/17/12 12:23 PM
12/17/12 12:23 PM
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They want these lazy over paid, union thugs to suddenly become trained Navy Seals. TIS To whom are you referring? (RR Article) I am referring to the anti-union people/politicians who claim teachers are overpaid, lazy and want to bust unions. Surely you've seen what went on in WI? They want to take away collective bargaining but NOW some politicians want teachers to have guns at school. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: school shooting
[Re: dontomasso]
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12/17/12 01:28 PM
12/17/12 01:28 PM
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Bottom lie is the assault rifles and multi round clips are a threat to our national security. That's it right there. That's all anyone is saying. I'm all for hunting and home protection. Hell, I'm even for sport and target shooting with handguns, for people who qualify for a license. But no one is ever going to convince me that they need an assault rifle for anything close to home protection or hunting. No private citizen should be able to purchase one. I'm one of the rare Democrats who wasn't in love with Bill Clinton, but in my opinion his ten year ban on assault weapons was one of the high points of his Presidency. And the world didn't end for the gun lovers in this country, now did it? Bush should have renewed it.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: school shooting
[Re: dontomasso]
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12/17/12 02:07 PM
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The new law should close the gun show loophole Top priorty.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: school shooting
[Re: olivant]
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12/17/12 03:45 PM
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While I am for, and it's good to explore everything, bottom line is it is still the gun that kills, not the video game or the movie, or the song. I never really thought about until recently when my grandkids were watching an old Tom & Jerry cartoon, which consisted of hammers on the head, throwing off cliffs and that type of thing. My daughter is the one who commented on it's violence, while I didn't really take note of it til then.  Man, we were exposed to that all the time as kids. AND, what about the Three Stooges? My God, today they'd be considered awfully violent. Yet, these were things we KNEW not to do. Most people do NOT imitate what they see. Some with troubled minds will, and of course we can't catch/help ALL of them the all the time but there is absolutely no reason NOT to talk about this issue and take some kind of action. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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