just bought Underboss

You'll like it...its got a lot of good stuff

Underboss is probaily the most complete book about boston LCN. I think those guys also wrote black mass but I could be wrong.

Anyone know history on who ran Lowell before before all these gangs?

Lowell is like 25 min from Boston back in the day day it was a mill town...a lot if irish in lowell...but never really heard of any OC in lowell,,might be just never heard my uncle lives in tewksbury the town next to lowell

I dunno..but when u speak of Lowell i think of my buddy Billy Barnoski,doing life in Shirley Medium for clipping Jackie McDermott(bookie) back in the 80's in Lowell because Jackie was a rat. Tried to kill his son also, and Billy doesn't mind telling u either,about any of his bodies for that matter....

im sure lowell isnt short of its nut bags

Jackie and Byron Valhakus ran everything in the Merrimack Valley. The kicked up to Indian Joe Nostralgi out of Medford. Whitey wacked Indian Joe and sent Barnowski to work with Jackie. Jackie was going to flip ( still a ton of doubt up here about that) but Ive seen the files. Barnowski killed him and shot his son peter in the mouth. After that OC up here died down. You have your poker machines in bars and what not and your bookies and dealers. But nothing OC. Just regular street toughs trying to make a buck. A friend of mine did about 16 years in walpole and shirley max with Billy and still helps his wife to this day.

Mick is very right besides jack mcdermott indian joe and wild billy b theres really not much notable figures in lowell but i knw this when old man ray died i know gambinos came to split the towns up and they took over lowell and everything west of worcester and old man carl rest his soul was given worcester scibelli given springfield and etc ...why the family let them split idk but it sure did ....when i ask my pops and uncles y they always tell me i wannna know things thats not my business lol

the gambinbos took over lowell is that what your saying.....if so that is not true at all

It seems hard to believe that the Gambino's or any NY family would just come in and start taking territory, especailly as well as Ray Sr. was respected. He was brought in to mediate many NY family disputes and was one of the most respected Don's in the country. I know Ray Jr. didn;t hold a candle to him but I do think some respect would be paid...at least initially...

Some info at the very bottom of this page is relevant to Lowell. Was just wondering if anyone knew anything more from that era or before. Grew up in the area and just curious to hear more OC history. Dunno what we would do without google.

http://www.wrko.com/whitey-watch

azguy russo is wrong... dude there are no gambinos doing shit in lowell if anyone is doin it its gunna be boston guys...

genovese got worscester and whatever else past there including springfield but the rest of mass is NE LCN

Thats how its supposed to t but its not ask your connected friends if they really connected cause google howie carr or no book going give u as we know the hill and patraica was in business 50/50 of thd hill gambling shylocking sports whatever, indian al was under the hill that meant protection from in town ,mcdermott had protection from indian al so he was not to be muscled in right ??

Wrong anguilo held a bunch of barboorh and poker games in lowell that area esp one in some church running bingo games for a fake charity raking in a huge profit and i forget the namw of that socail club but twice a week fronting for another charity event raking 100,000's a week again all profit so when anguilo went down and weak ray jr took over to show his apprecation for the ny family gambinos was told get lowell and that area thinkng big of anguilos operation over there...overtimethings died down mcdermott on the wheel ro squeel the got clipped and hispanics cambodians took over with gangs and took over lawrnece then ray jr with all his problems with j.r. Russo vinny baxkfired when j.r. Russo wss tires of ray jr bullshit and fucking things up he wnt to john gotti and got permission at a sitdown

Either ray jr changed administration and sitdown or get clipped approval the right way so ray jr sat down making four guys carm richie flam bobby d and vinny freddy well respected nicky bianco was appointed boss j.r. Russo consgliere all this was after underboss willy grasso got clipped and hit gone wrong on mick rat salemme so since ray jr took over was really he let things fuck up so bad never took over then the indictments came right after on evereyone that mattered but everyone.....so they respected ray sr paulie frank intiso donny anguilo zannino granito but they was all gone commisioned appeoved russo request after he wacked grasso to yea wack the boss to run the famiky the right way and during the whole time

Nothing happened in lowell but mcdermortt being clipped im sure whatever deal was made 60/40 or65/35 70/30 50/50 55/45 whatever was made im sure gambinos was in and out with the profit just like the genevose are with springfield and just coming to collect the check with very clean handz .... And that was lowell

no way dude name one just one gambino guy in lowell never....never was a deal with the gambinos just the genovese on western mass...your info is false ny guys never heard of lowell NEVER

GAMBINOS IN lowell r u serious

The kid is right.

Lol believe whst u want but knowing and thinking is two different things and not like the ny guys came came to lowell to make it bensonhurst or ozone park or even north end a deal was made wheee they get cut from the operation anguilo was running profiting huge i mean aftee anguilo went to the can winter hill was done dealing with lcn for the most part immadietly so whatever mxdermort had was just problems kid after that he lost eveeything numbers clubs loan whatever his cut was even smaller for whatever he was left or came upon and that was.t much cause lowell aint much to begin with so why a solder give up his operation for lowell like i said in aprrecation from ray jr tjey get got a cut from lowell based on what anguilo had going thinking it was a goldmine now if they wouldve set it up the way anguilo did a soldier or two mightve been put there to oversee things for them but since they seen it was nothing at all they just collected their blessings

think about it russo the old man gave western mass away why would he or his son give a city 25 min from boston to an ny family...

if the gambinos got lowell we all would no it just like everyone nows about the genovese in western mass...

Exactly. They have a hard enough time keeping a secret of what they have going on here in New York.

thank you....

They didnt get it u think about it what was lowell to begin with nothing exactly the old man only did that deal of a part of the western so he can be the overseee of the pinball and coin machines unions and cause the old man is from the western mass worcester, he knows its only so much to make so why not share western mass and keep the good parts of connecticut hartford new haven etc so being a commision guy he knew sharing whike earing a promotion in a racket is only more profitable than keeping limited territory know what i mean

back to my point the gambinos did not split shit in lowell..

gambinos never got any money from lowell not even once,,not even a split on something nada,, you think these grinders are going to give up money to ny,,not one cent more than they have to

Now ray jr in the other hand was dumb to begin with giving away parts and raxkets and oppurrunities piece by piece and lowell was a crumb of it thats it ray j.r barely got boss zannino knew he was foing go soon and didnt want it paulir frank aka paul intiso was to low key and predicted this amongst the seniors of lcn so he ran it horeibly destroyng and leading the family to destrucrion he gave zannino consgliere for his support so why not a piece od action in two nit lowell the hill was a ok n dept nearly 500,00 going back to howie winter so what was lowell really ?? You answsr that for me since u want ask questions so much like im fugazy or wvwn fibbing what was lowell how much was it really making ??? Whats was the potentional and y it was never exploited if there was ok ne ???