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Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684061
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First of all, not to get too off-topic. but those few states that don't require car insurance require that the uninsured post a fee or bond with the state, so your point isn't really made.

Don't focus on minutiae. The issue is that too many children are dying at the hands of armed madmen.


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Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684063
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australia is far from a success story...



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Re: school shooting [Re: Frank_Nitti] #684065
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Originally Posted By: Frank_Nitti
FWIW, CNN also reported that the shooter was an avid player of "World of Warcraft"
and other shoot 'em up video games.


Remember when the Grand Theft Auto series was blamed too for massacres?

Has anybody else thought odd that some folks use the "guns don't kill people" meme but then abandon that when it comes to video games/movies/TV? Subconciously its almost like some folks want to change the subject.

I'll say again when I said before (if worded differently) on this topic: Name one instance where a game/movie/TV was cited in a crime scene for cause of death.

I mean you've never had Batman or Spider-Man fans kill each other over who is better. Or no Mom's basement was ever bombed as a result at least. (In that regard, such obsessive active fandoms I would be willing to argue to be more civilized than some religions in the world today.)

Re: school shooting [Re: Five_Felonies] #684069
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
australia is far from a success story...


Cutting down homicide isn't a good thing? Explain that logic to me. Better yet, look at the big broad picture. Would we prefer less massacres, no? Australia, not to insult you my friend, isn't exactly the 3rd world. If geographically displaced, it's part of the Western world. I refuse to say they're just like us, but they're close.

With your logic, you would argue that Desegregation was bad. Why? Because (and this is a fact) it cost countless blacks jobs in private and public sectors once that niche economic marketplace was voided and inevitably swamped by the bigger, more powerful (and white) corporate/public mainstream. BAD! BAD! NOT A SUCCESS STORY!!!!!!!!

Would you really argue that? Of course not. Why? Because in the end ending segregation we consider a good thing and worth it ultimately. Big picture friend, don't get hanged up on blots.

Utopia (as per the name when translated) is impossible as per your precious criteria. You're not that naive. I (and most folks) prefer to have less of a problem. Unless you really do think the status quo is a 'success story'?

Reminds me of politics whenever an incumbent party claims the job rate is (allegedly) going down and the opposition will whine that NOT ENOUGH jobs are being created.

There is legitimate criticism, and then there is pure whine. Would you like red or white?

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The newest James Bond movie SKYFALL featured our hero having a gun with a sophisticated fingerprint I.D. system which allowed only the owner to fire the weapon.

What if gun owners can be sure (or close to at least) assuring it can't be stolen and used for crimes, or people/relatives "borrowing" the guns? I find this a compelling alternative that everybody would(should?) be fine with. Of course it doesn't stop gun owners from committing such crimes themselves, but this is a good idea.

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One intriguing possibility is mandating some technological solution to make it harder for people other than the registered owner to fire the gun. Various “smart gun” technologies exist or are in the works which rely on RFID chips and biometric devices; cruder devices, which rely on complicated rings to activate the trigger, have been available for decades. If effectively implemented, they could conceivably greatly reduce the number of crimes committed with stolen weapons, including cases such as this one where a teenager steals a weapon from a parent. They’d also, presumably, cut down on gun suicides and accidental shooting deaths of children.


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/meaningful-action-to-prevent-more-tragedies-like-this/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OTB+%28Outside+The+Beltway+%7C+OTB%29

~Of course that proposal has one flaw that some will quickly jump on as "not a success story." In that of course the gun owners can and will still go do massacres.

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Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684071
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As I stated above, we are a combination of our genetics and everything that we are exposed to. Most of us are able to integrate those exposures into our behaviors without incident; some of us are not able to do so. Since none of us on this Board are physicians of any type and do not regularly read and understand the American Journal of Psychiatry (or similar professional publictions), we can only speculate about the influence of violent video games on behavior. However, we can reasonably aassume that anything we are exposed to may find expression in our behaviors.

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Re: school shooting [Re: olivant] #684072
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Originally Posted By: olivant
As I stated above, we are a combination of our genetics and everything that we are exposed to. Most of us are able to integrate those exposures into our behaviors without incident; some of us are not able to do so. Since none of us on this Board are physicians of any type and do not regularly read and understand the American Journal of Psychiatry (or similar professional publictions), we can only speculate about the influence of violent video games on behavior. However, we can reasonably aassume that anything we are exposed to may find expression in our behaviors.


Would this explain my pro wrestling fandom?

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Even the most cursory of online searches will yield an abundance of scientific studies showing the harmful effects violent media can have on young, impressionable minds.

TV & Movie Violence: Why watching it is harmful to children
http://www.ocd.pitt.edu/Files/PDF/Parenting/TvAndMovieViolence.pdf

Kids and Violent Movies: A Scary Trend
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20080805/kids-and-violent-movies-a-scary-trend

Does Rap or Rock Music Provoke Violent Behavior?
http://library.wcsu.edu/dspace/bitstream/0/35/1/tropeano.pdf

Study: Rap Music Linked to Alcohol, Violence
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5390075

The Impact of Rap and Hip-Hop Music On American Youth
http://www.teenink.com/nonfiction/all/ar...American-Youth/

Can Listening to Music be Harmful to Us?
http://www.simonheather.co.uk/pages/articles/listen.pdf


Violent Video Games - Psychologists Help Protect Children from Harmful Effects
http://www.apa.org/research/action/games.aspx

The effects of violent video games. Do they affect our behavior?
http://ithp.org/articles/violentvideogames.html

How Playing Violent Video Games May Change the Brain
http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/how-playing-violent-video-games-may-change-the-brain/

Are violent video games harmful?
http://www.easternct.edu/~lugow/courses/videogames/violence.pdf

DOES VIDEO GAME VIOLENCE HARM TEENS? NEW STUDY WEIGHS THE EVIDENCE
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/vidviollaw.htm

Re: school shooting [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #684080
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: olivant
As I stated above, we are a combination of our genetics and everything that we are exposed to. Most of us are able to integrate those exposures into our behaviors without incident; some of us are not able to do so. Since none of us on this Board are physicians of any type and do not regularly read and understand the American Journal of Psychiatry (or similar professional publictions), we can only speculate about the influence of violent video games on behavior. However, we can reasonably aassume that anything we are exposed to may find expression in our behaviors.


Would this explain my pro wrestling fandom?


Anything to which we are exposed has that potential.


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Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684095
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Connecticut in 1993 did ban 30 different models of semiautomatic military-style assault rifles. EXCEPT for a clear exception that's more notable now after friday:

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But much remains uncertain about one element of the bill that some supporters say could still provide the seeds of its undoing: an exemption for the Sporter rifle, a semiautomatic version of the AR-15 assault rifle, both produced by the Hartford-based Colt's Manufacturing Company. The company employs 1,000 people in and around the troubled city, and nearly 45 percent of its stock is owned by the state employee pension fund.


http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/28/nyregion/weapons-ban-is-approved-by-connecticut-senate.html

Re: school shooting [Re: Five_Felonies] #684098
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you never here about guns being used for good, and there are plenty of stories.

Tell me one.

Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684099
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I would like to add to this, stuff such as violent movies, music, shows etc really should not be used as an excuse. That stuff is in every country, we got it all down here in AUS and UK, compare the murder rates of London to any major city in the US.
Clearly guns are responsible for most of this, hate that argument that bad guys would just use knives etc anyway. You take guns out of the US (make it extremely hard to get them) the murder rates will fall, accidental shootings would also fall. Make it near impossible for these nut jobs who do these school shootings to get guns. A crazed guy over here would find it near impossible to get hold of a gun no matter how desperate he was. Hell you can't even get bb Guns over here LOL.

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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Don't focus on minutiae. The issue is that too many children are dying at the hands of armed madmen.
And what about the Oklahoma City bombing? He killed 19 kids all under the age of 6 with a bomb in a federal building that housed offices for the D.E.A., A.T.F, and Secret Service, not a gun, and yet you can still get the stuff needed to make that sort of weapon. The problem isn't guns, the problem is we live in a world that unfortunately has some people in it who are sick, twisted, and fucked up who have no regard for human life, be it children or adult, whatsoever. Even if gun regulations were tightened, you still have guns on the street being smuggled in illegally. If you take guns out of the equation, say you have someone who wants to do something like this, cause serious harm, they'll find something to use regardless of what it is.


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Re: school shooting [Re: scarfacetm] #684138
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This actually gives me hope as a political centrist. If a guy like Joe Scarborough can cross the street and buck the NRA, there's hope for politicians on all sides.

CHANGE OF HEART: Conservative Joe Scarborough stuns with call for gun control

The former congressman and MSNBC host shocked viewers when he confessed that the slaughter at Sandy Hook had changed his heart about gun control. He says, 'our Bill of Rights does not guarantee gun manufacturers the absolute right to sell military-styled high-caliber semi-automatic combat assault rifles with high capacity magazines to whoever the hell they want.

By Kristen A. Lee / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Monday, December 17, 2012, 5:28 PM

Joe Scarborough, the Republican congressman turned MSNBC host, stunned viewers on Monday with a wrenching 10-minute monologue confessing to a change of heart on gun control following the devastating massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

"I am a conservative Republican who received the NRA's highest ratings over four terms in Congress," Scarborough said during the lengthy statement in which his eyes sometimes appeared filled with tears. He said he has "always taken a libertarian's approach to Hollywood's 1st Amendment rights and gun collectors' 2nd Amendment rights."

But he said "the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant" after Friday's tragic events, in which 20 young children and six adults were brutally cut down by one disturbed young man armed with assault weapons.

"Entertainment moguls do not have an absolute right to glorify murder while spreading mayhem in young minds across America," he said. "And our Bill of Rights does not guarantee gun manufacturers the absolute right to sell military-styled high-caliber semi-automatic combat assault rifles with high capacity magazines to whoever the hell they want."

"Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo," Scarborough said. "They must instead be forced to defend our children."

Only five months ago, following the mass shooting at the Aurora movie theater in Colorado, Scarborough had resisted wading into a gun control debate.

At the time he said it was "unfortunate" that activists on both sides of the issue were talking politics while the victims' families were in mourning.

He also suggested that gun control advocates had lost the debate for good back in the 1990s, when conservative Democrats "killed" gun control legislation pushed by former President Clinton.

"I think this debate has been had," he concluded.

On Monday morning, however, he said that Sandy Hook "changed everything. It must It must change everything. We all must begin anew and demand that Washington's old way of doing business is no longer acceptable."

But while this is the first time Scarborough has apparently broken with the NRA, it is far from the first time MSNBC's "Morning Joe" host has broken with members of his own party.

After the 2011 shooting in Tucson that gravely wounded former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed six others, he scolded Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck for their inflammatory rhetoric about the tragedy, like Palin's comments accusing her critics of "blood libel."

"As a conservative who had a 100 percent rating with the National Rifle Association and the Gun Owners of America over my four terms in Congress, I wonder why some on the right can't defend the Second Amendment without acting like jackasses," he wrote in an opinion piece for Politico.

Here are Scarborough's full remarks as prepared for delivery on Monday:

Today, we as a nation grieve. Today, we as a people feel helpless. Helpless to stop these random acts of violence that seem to be getting less random by the day.

It may the geographic proximity of Newtown to my hometown, or the fact my children's ages average those of the 20 young children tragically killed on Friday, or the fact my second son has Aspergers, or the fact that too many other facts associated with Friday's nightmare strike so close to home. that for me, there is no escaping the horrors visited upon the children and teachers of Sandy Hook.

The events that occurred in a short, violent outburst on Friday, December 14, 2012, were so evil that no words that I know of have yet been invented to sufficiently describe the horror experienced by 20 precious first grade students, their heroic principal, their anguished parents or the shocked New England town that will never be the same.

There is no way to capture the final moments of these children's short lives or the loss and helplessness their parents must feel today. There is nothing they can do, there is nothing any of us can do, to ease their pain this morning, or to cause these little children to run back into the loving arms of their family members this Christmas season.

Soon, we will watch the burials of these babies. We will hold up their parents in prayer. And we will hold our own children tighter as we thank God every afternoon watching them walk off their school bus and into our arms.

But every American must know - from this day forward - that nothing can ever be the same again.

We have said this before: after Columbine, after Arizona, after Aurora, after so many other numbing hours of murder and of massacre.

But let this be out true landmark; let Newtown be the hour after which, in the words of the New Testament, we did all we could to make all things new.

Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo. They must instead be forced to protect our children.

Parents can no longer take "No" for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting children.

The violence we see spreading from shopping malls in Oregon, to movie theaters in Colorado, to college campuses in Virginia, to elementary schools in Connecticut, is being spawned by the toxic brew of a violent pop culture, a growing mental health crisis and the proliferation of combat-styled guns.

Though entrenched special interests will try to muddy the issues, the cause of these sickening mass shootings is no longer a mystery to common-sense Americans. And blessedly, there are more common-sense Americans than there are special interests, even if it doesn't always seem that way. Good luck to the gun lobbyist or Hollywood lawyer who tries to blunt the righteous anger of ten million parents by hiding behind a twisted reading of our Bill of Rights.

Our government rightly obsesses day and night over how to prevent the next 9/11 from being launched from a cave in Afghanistan or a training base in Yemen. But perhaps now is the time to begin obsessing over how to stop the next attack on a movie theater, a shopping mall, a college campus or a first grade class.

The battle we now must fight, and the battle we must now win is for the safety and sanity of our children, and that is the war at home.

It's not all about guns, or all about violent movies and videogames. But we must no longer allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. And we must not excuse total inaction by arguing that no single action can solve the problem and save our children.

I am a conservative Republican who received the NRA's highest ratings over 4 terms in Congress. I saw the debate over guns as a powerful, symbolic struggle between individual rights and government control. In the years after Waco and Ruby Ridge, the symbolism of that debate seemed even more powerful to my colleagues and me.

But the symbols of that ideological struggle have since been shattered by the harvest sown from violent, mind-numbing video games and gruesome Hollywood movies that dangerously desensitizes those who struggle with mental health challenges. Add military-styled weapons and high capacity magazines to that equation and tragedy can never be too far behind.

There is no easy ideological way forward. If it were only so simple as to blame Hollywood or the NRA, then our task could be completed in no time. But I come to you this morning with a heavy heart and no easy answers. Still, I have spent the past few days grasping for solutions and struggling for answers, while daring to question my long held beliefs on these subjects.

I have always taken a libertarian's approach to Hollywood's 1st Amendment rights and gun collectors' 2nd Amendment rights. I stood by those libertarian beliefs after Columbine, Aurora and Arizona. Those young men who slaughtered innocents were crazy, after all, and they would have found another way to kill their victims if their guns of choice were not available.

But last Friday a chilling thought crossed my mind as I saw the Times Square ticker over ABC spit out the news of yet another tragic shooting in yet another tortured town by yet another twisted son of that community.

How could it be that I knew within seconds of reading that scrolling headline that the shooter would be an isolated middle class white male who spent his days on his computer playing video games? How did I know that it was far more likely that he had a mental condition than a rational motive? And how did I know the end of this story before the real reporting even began?

I knew the ending of that story because I've seen it all too often before. I also knew that day that the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant to the future that I want for my children.

Friday changed everything. It must change everything. We All must begin anew and demand that Washington's old way of doing business is no longer acceptable.

Entertainment moguls do not have an absolute right to glorify murder while spreading mayhem in young minds across America.

And our Bill of Rights does not guarantee gun manufacturers the absolute right to sell military-styled high-caliber semi-automatic combat assault rifles with high capacity magazines to whoever the hell they want.

It is time for Congress to put children before deadly dogmas. It's time for politicians to start focusing more on protecting our school yards than putting together their next fundraiser. And it's time Washington stops trying to win endless wars overseas and instead starts focusing on winning the war at home.

We have already given up too much ground across America. We have already ceded too many schoolyards and shopping malls, movie theaters and college campuses. We will give no more ground.

Abraham Lincoln once said of this great and powerful nation.

"From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia.could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide."

For the sake of my four children, I choose life. And I choose change. It is time to turn over the tables inside the temple, for the sake of our children and for the sake of this great nation that we love.

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Re: school shooting [Re: Danito] #684139
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Okay, I'll preface this by again stating that I'm a gun owner. I'm licensed out of necessity in both Florida and New York State. I have assets to protect and I'm not ashamed of that. Actually, I'm quite proud of that. Anyway, I think I'm pretty middle of the road (read: objective) on the matter, and I'll again state that assault weapons are not for private citizens.

So just answer me this and be honest enough to give me a one word answer, yes or no: If Lanza's mother didn't have an assault weapon in her home last Friday, could he have killed all those people?

I'll tell you my answer to the question: It's a big fat NO. Even if he showed up with half a dozen handguns someone might have rushed him and a few lives would have been spared. Hell, if one life was spared, then in my opinion that would justify the ban on assault weapons forever in this country.


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^^^ I agree on that


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^^^ I agree on that

That's because you're a smart kid. For a Philadelphian tongue grin.


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When I was in school I took a criminal justice class as an elective and the whole man's house is man's castle theory isn't always true god damn someone breaks in your house you kill them you might be doing 5 years for manslaughter


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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
When I was in school I took a criminal justice class as an elective and the whole man's house is man's castle theory isn't always true god damn someone breaks in your house you kill them you might be doing 5 years for manslaughter

You see, DN. I think that's ridiculous. I'm not a "gun nut," but I am a gun owner. And if a guy threatens your family in your home, then you have the God given right to shoot the fucker dead. But no one needs an assault rifle to blow off steam up in the mountains.


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Re: school shooting [Re: pizzaboy] #684146
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When I was in school I took a criminal justice class as an elective and the whole man's house is man's castle theory isn't always true god damn someone breaks in your house you kill them you might be doing 5 years for manslaughter

You see, DN. I think that's ridiculous. I'm not a "gun nut," but I am a gun owner. And if a guy threatens your family in your home, then you have the God given right to shoot the fucker dead. But no one needs an assault rifle to blow off steam up in the mountains.


Yeah I agree. I was just saying there are so many variables that come into play. If a 100 women kills a 240 man then thats justified....I know what you mean though there is no need for people to have assault weapons


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Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684147
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Take the Movie Three Kings For Example..lol


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Re: school shooting [Re: scarfacetm] #684151
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Originally Posted By: scarfacetm
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Don't focus on minutiae. The issue is that too many children are dying at the hands of armed madmen.
And what about the Oklahoma City bombing? He killed 19 kids all under the age of 6 with a bomb in a federal building that housed offices for the D.E.A., A.T.F, and Secret Service, not a gun, and yet you can still get the stuff needed to make that sort of weapon. The problem isn't guns, the problem is we live in a world that unfortunately has some people in it who are sick, twisted, and fucked up who have no regard for human life, be it children or adult, whatsoever. Even if gun regulations were tightened, you still have guns on the street being smuggled in illegally. If you take guns out of the equation, say you have someone who wants to do something like this, cause serious harm, they'll find something to use regardless of what it is.


very well said. I agree.


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Re: school shooting [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #684153
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See, that's a start. At least you both acknowledge there is no real need for assault weapons. smile I assume, it's illegal to have a grenade in your home? Or a bomb? Because, of course, for what purpose would you have such a weapon, right? Is that taking away anyone's 2nd amendment rights? Btw, the "don't take my rights away" whine IS bullshit because that is NOT what anyone is aiming for. Thanks for not having tunnelvision on this.

I refuse to accept NOTHING be done. As the President said in his speech Sunday, "are we just gonna accept these things as routine?" Not me. We MUST address it.

Btw, where is the NRA in this. I hear crickets. I hear they took down their FB/Twitter pages as well. Can't take the heat?

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Re: school shooting [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #684155
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Seriously, there's no other way to say it. But FUCK the NRA. With a big, fat F-U-C-K. They've had too much power in this country for far too long. They make all gun owners look like hillbillies and it's time that they had their wings clipped.


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Re: school shooting [Re: pizzaboy] #684158
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Seriously, there's no other way to say it. But FUCK the NRA. With a big, fat F-U-C-K. They've had too much power in this country for far too long. They make all gun owners look like hillbillies and it's time that they had their wings clipped.


It's funny you mention that, cause sometimes I'll hear/see certain people bitching about 2nd amendment, guns, etc. and I can't help but picture a Jethro Bodine. lol "Please daddy don't let them take my toys away." lol

TIS


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Re: school shooting [Re: Mignon] #684159
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The only movie i could see anyone blaming for a shooting like this or the Colorado theater one would be Rampage...in fact, when i heard about the Colorado one and the outfit the guy was wearing, my mind first went to that movie.


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Re: school shooting [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #684161
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
and I can't help but picture a Jethro Bodine. lol "Please daddy don't let them take my toys away." lol

Yeah; life, liberty and the pursuit of moonshine.


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Re: school shooting [Re: pizzaboy] #684164
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Btw, I hear Joe Scarborough and a couple others say they had an NRA rating A. What exactly does that mean? confused




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Re: school shooting [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #684166
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Btw, I hear Joe Scarborough and a couple others say they had an NRA rating A. What exactly does that mean? confused

I don't know what that's supposed to mean, Tis. But I give the guy credit for risking the wrath of his party and making an enemy of the NRA. I posted an article about it above.


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