The NRA rates conressmen, senators and candidates, based on how they've voted on gun issues. An A rating for Scarborough means that while he was in Congress he voted favorably for the NRA agenda consistently.

They go after officials who do not.

Gosh, that doesn't sound like something I'd brag about no? They are that controlled by the NRA? Wow, more than I thought


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What a difference a few days can make. Until Friday morning, Discovery Channel's "American Guns" was generally regarded as a popular, not especially complicated show about the travails of a family of gun sellers. In the aftermath of the devastating murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the show's become a symbol of our culture's fraught but durable love affair with guns. After hundreds of Facebook users besieged the show's page, calling for its end, they got their wish: The network has canceled the show.

I've seen RAMPAGE..if you have Netflix you can stream it...It's downright DISTURBING...It's a little over the top..but it goes to show what a fully automatic weapons can do in such little time

In the midtermelections of 1994 Speaker of the House Tom Foley was defeated. He was the first Speaker of the House to lose an election in more than a hundred years, and he was the #1 target of the NRA, the most powerful political lobby on earth.

The organization dates back to the 1800s, but didn't become politically proactive until the early 1970s.

I posted earlier in this thread that conservative Supreme Court Justice called their campaign to establish a misleading interpretation of the Second Amendment as one of the biggest frauds on the American public by special interest groups.

I really hate to get into a debate here, but it kills me to listen to some of the crap I am reading. As PB says in New York State all people who would like to have a hand gun must get a license. Not hard to get but some times the waiting list is long and can take months at times depending on the county you live in. Most of these are for you to own and transport your gun to and from places such as the range etc. This does not give you the right to walk around town like the old west.
Rifle, shotguns or long guns do not need to be licensed. But a background call is made when you buy from a dealer, but not from a private sale.

If you like you can apply for what they call a CC permit or concealed carry or Carry licensee. A lot harder to get now, but some older ones were grandfather in from many years ago. This allows me to carry a firearm at any time except in certain places. I am not to carry into banks, schools and Federal buildings for examples. I admit that I have forgotten once and have taken mine into the bank. All my firearms are recorded on my licensee of what I own and can carry.

I have taken advance training with law enforcement personal and ATF agents. I belong to and practice at indoor and outdoor ranges and have taken several class on defensive gun usage. Gun ownership is no joke and never to be taken lightly. Unless I have my gun with me it has a trigger lock on it and is in the gun safe that we own. So that is a little bit on my background, not to brag but to make you aware.

Problem is that people throw the words Assault weapon around when many times these are not assault weapons being used. Assault looking or semi automatic is not an assault weapon. Damn they have BB guns that look like them in style but that doesn't make it an assault weapon.Assault weapons are (FULLY Automatic) Hold the triger and they just keep on shooting till the gun is empty is an easy way to explain it. The press added terms like high powered hand guns and professional quality guns? I may be wrong but I heard that he also had single shot weapons and non semi automatic guns also even if he didn't enter the building with them.
This kid with his problems should have never been anywhere near these guns even with his mother, period. He was unstable at best and his mother and others paid the price for her mistake.

Sorry PB but this kid even without a semi automatic weapon was going to walk all thru that school until he was stopped by officer with another weapon. This school was the perfect storm. Taught to take the children to a safe area and wait. These little angels aren't going to rush anyone and the teachers had the kids to worry about. They we told to lock their door and wait for help. Schools are a gun free zone remember. He could have reload several times with the time factor being his only problem. Then he took his life when real help showed up.

And most gun owners swear that if they were there they would have taken him down. Another half baked tale. Any class will teach you the fear factor and the training it takes to overcome it. Gun ownership doesn't make you brave unless you are stupid. You train to be able to point that weapon and possible take a life under extreme stress no matter what you think you could do most will not when the time comes.

Now listen to the tribe all get flamed up and egged on about the evil gun empire.
Please learn what a REAL assault weapon is before you call for the collection of all firearms is all I am saying. Assault weapons are never needed as far as I am concern.

Now taking Guns from BAD people is a must. Street gangs, Drug groups etc. But you see how good we have been with that, or the drugs trade or drunk driving. Shit how many weapons did the feds lose down in Mexico?

The good people are the only ones that follow the laws, and the easy ones to take guns away from I guess.

I hope we finally get help to those parents who have kids that need more help then their parents can give them. That would be the real first step in stopping this type of evil event. But that cry isn't as grand as fighting the evil gun empire. And they have been taking money from mental health ever time there is a need to save money...so look what it has produced. It takes something like this to happen before some $$ will be once again spent.

Everyone be safe and find some love in your hearts for the other guy once in a while.

PB, I like you alot but when you make fun of hillbillies it pisses me off. My family are hillbillies. My husband is a hillbilly. There are good and bad in all people. Would it be right of me to say ALL muslims are terrorists?

The top 3 selling video games of 2012 were of the violent shoot 'em up type.

"Call of Duty" and "World of Warcraft" were reportedly Adam Lanza's favorite games.

The Kaiser Family Foundation reported that the Average 8-18 year-old spends 53 hours a week on computer/watching TV/playing videogames.

http://www.kff.org/entmedia/entmedia012010nr.cfm

i don't really care for the bashing and sterotyping of southers either. from my experience, they will do more for you than the majority of people living in a urban setting. just a quick example, a few years ago, me and a friends father broke down on the side of the road in west virginia, out of cell phone range, on a very deserted road. the first car that passed stopped by and tried to help jump the car. when that didn't work, this lady drove us 15 miles in the opposite direction of the way she was traveling to a small gas station. on top of that, she absolutly refused any money. now, people are more than willing to help out here in nj, but its the exception rather than the rule, down south, it seems to be the complete opposite!

Obama backs Assault Weapons ban



http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/12/18/obama-backs-assault-weapons-ban.html

Is anybody really against any of those 3 proposed measures? Not exactly abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Sounds all like Common Sense to me.

Was it this thread or elsewhere where I read about 40% of all American gun sales are private, i.e. gun shows and Internet but not at gun stores, which under the Brady Bill are mandated to run background checks on prospective gun owners?

That's why I love going to KY. The people are so friendly and talk to you like they've known you all there life. A couple years ago we were at a "Mom & Pop" type restaurant and we had a flat tire, some guy gave us his portable air pump and told us to bring it back to him after we got the tire fixed.

i can one up you a few years ago, i was at a small gas station/deli/general store with a few friends, we stopped to use the atm. it was broken, so the owner lent me the money, on the condition that i pay it back. what makes it even more amazing, this guy knows my face, but he knows i don't even live in that state, he's just seen me a few times over the years and we've made small talk. needless to say, i took him up on the offer, and paid him back that next morning, unreal

It's great knowing that there are still good people in the world.

I was just trying to point out that gun owners are often unfairly sterotyped as such, Mig. So in my own way I was sticking up for the gun owner. But let's be honest, city dwellers and rural people are different. Over the years you've hinted that most New Yorkers are moneyed snobs, when that couldn't be further from the truth.


But you're not from an urban setting, FF. You're from a Mid-Jersey suburb. You have no more in common with a native New Yorker than someone from Kentucky. So are you really being objective when you say that? I know plenty of city people who'd give you the shirt off their backs. That we're all rude is as much an unfair stereotype as the hillbilly stereotype.

And as I've pointed out, I love traveling through the South .

Please refresh my memory when I've done that. If I've done that then shame on me that's wrong.

bottom line to me, there are good and bad examples of all people. to classify ANY group by the lowest common denominator is wrong, and i'm sure i've been guilty of that before myself. pb, if most new yorkers are as level headed as you, we are in good shape. i wish you were my uncle

To be fair, most of us in Central Jersey are native New Yorkers.

Then how come Geoff don't speak good Italian?

I think I'm gonna cry .

Okay, you'll call me Zee Abeetz. I like it!


No doubt. I have a bunch of cousins that moved to Long Branch back in the '70s. I'm very familiar with that particular part of Monmouth County (because of that AND Monmouth Park in the Summer), and I really enjoy the area .

Michigan Gov. vetoes concealed Guns bill

http://www.freep.com/article/20121218/NEWS06/121218057/snyder-to-veto-gun-bill?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

Don't have the story at my fingertips but also read today that Synder's poll ratings really have taken a dive since his "right to work" bill. It's around (?) 32%. Not surprised (and actually glad) at all. Hope he gets his ass voted out next election.



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Looks like a Republican electoral map, Ronnie .

how is new york so low

Because for all the crime that you read about in New York, it's very difficult to get illegal guns here. Plus, it's an automatic three years if you're caught with one. Guaranteed three, no matter who you are (just ask Plaxico Burress). That's a pretty good deterrent.

Wow, this IS a story to me. I worked summer school there a few times, but both my kids went to and graduated from this High school. Apparently a student from Canyon Springs High School, Moreno Valley, CA, threatened to kill a teacher.


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http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=8924231

And since the Oklahoma City bombing, a horrendous act, how many repeats of them have we seen? And since Columbine, how many spree shootings have we seen? Which cries out for more attention?

And as for this nonsense about hillbillies v. New Yorkers, how about we remember that this thread was originally about the deaths of 28 people, 20 of them who won't see their 8th birthdays, and who are being laid to rest this week.

Before this turns into a pissing contest about guns and bombs and video games, let's remember that there are 28 families in unbearable agony as we speak, that they are experiencing a hell on earth that none of us can possibly imagine.

God bless their souls.

This has to be an absolutely heartbreaking week in CT. They will have 28 funerals.

A lot of stories about the victims are coming to light this week as well as beautiful pictures of these innocent little angles.

I heard earlier today, one darling little girl (I think the one who has a twin brother)was taking the attendance to the office and escaped the killer who went to her classroom. She went to another classroom after hearing gunshots.


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I look at the pictures of the little ones and they were so adorable, so full of life. It breaks my heart. I remember my girls at that age, and I can't begin to understand the breadth and depth of the pain their families are experiencing.

There is one picture that gets me. Catherine is the little girl with the bright red hair, that smile and that hair and those freckles just kill me.

I know. They ALL so sweet, innocent & adorable.



On another note, just breaking here in CA, San Jose Junior College is on lock down after reports of a gunman on campus.


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