I understand that completely! Howeve that kid is insane!

I'd live to sit here and tell you I sat on Fat Tony's lap, but I didn't! However being local does give you some insight I feel! Could be my biased I don't know!

i agree, however for every PIZZABOY, we get about 10 joerusso's, so after a while, it just seems to pay to air on the side of caution. like i said though, we need all the neigborhood info we can get, as it gives us an insight into the local scene which might otherwise be ignored by the feds. we just need to be able to come to a common understanding here, which can be very tricky considering we are all anonymous for the most part

five felonies.you hit the nail on the head!and did so without being rude and i salute you for that! the truth is there are few people on here that know my name,but some do.i am [for the most part] anonymus.if your from my neighborhood,you can figure out who i am by reading my posts.it has happened before!but most of you wont.most of you wont know east harlems name either.you are right! the bullshitters get found out!easy! its impossible to keep on lying for ever!but just because what some one says contradicts 'whats at hand' doesnt mean we are wrong! its basically our word versus the f.b.i.i get that! when it comes to 'souces', i get whos the better one! the f.b.i.!i usually will agree to that.but in this case its not so.is it impossible for some one to actually 'know' what there talking about?or who? i grew up going to bar-b-g's at 'mr neil's house. he used to call me 'buck-a-loo'! why? fuck if i still dont know!lol. i still have a picture of me sitting on his lap while i was crying! [he looked like a vampire]..lol. do you have to believe me? no,i really dont give a shit weather you do or dont. i am not vein enough to care what some one a thousand miles away thinks of me.at the end of the day guys like east harlem and my self have 'forgotten more than you will ever know'.

i meant your first post..lol. i am slow at typing..lol. i can oly use one hand !

Perfectly understandable. Like I said I didn't know East Harlem was cool! Place is a DUMP let me tell you.

Secondly history tells the whole story, ive never played that card, don't discuss EVERY family. EVERY SINGLE FAMILY. I try to add input to only the things I THINK I know! This particular topic is one I feel I can add value to the discussion!

You've pretended to be somebody who's in a better position to know who was the real boss than Cafaro, Gravano, Casso, or any of the guys caught on tape; including Salerno himself.

I don't get mad at local guys. I get mad at bullshitters trying to pass themselves off as something they're not simply because of where they live.



The news, mafia books, indictments, etc. is where all of us get the majority of our information. And that includes you, whether you want to admit it or not.



How? How does you living in East Harlem at one point give you any special insight into who was the real boss at the time? How does you living in East Harlem at one point give you better insight than a made member who worked directly under Salerno for years?



Actually, the bullshitters don't always get found out easily. Very often they don't. I've seen many who spew their crap for months, even years. People will eat out of their hand, convinced as they are that they've come across some local guy who's their inside link to the underworld and will give them all the dirt.

And, more often than not, when a bullshitter is exposed it's usually by people such as myself who force them to face contradictory evidence and don't let them get away with expecting everyone to just take their word for it.

Casso, Gravano and D'Arco all convicted liars! Period!

You flushing bullshitters out? Thats what i was stating before, your ego cant take a differing opinion! you get insecure someone has read more than you, knkws more than you!

Good luck using Casso and Gravano as your sources!

everyone here is supoose to take your word for it? come on Ivy!

Why can't we all get along?

Im not the one who got tossed for being abusive!

So, because they were all convicted and were caught in some lies that automatically means they were lying about Salerno's and Gigante's respective positions?

Even if that convenient excuse of your's were true, that still doesn't explain away the conversations on the bugs. Taken all this evidence as a whole, there's no way you can get around it, as much as you may try.

And, for the record, if something is simply a matter of opinion, so be it. But what we have here, regarding Salerno and Gigante, is established fact. Fact that is independent of you, me, or anyone else on the forum. What I have a problem with is you calling these facts into question with nothing but your opinion to go on.

hes not pretending to be any one!he is who he is!

fuck it im done!you ever come to n.y. i will buy you a drink ivyleague.east harlem you can come to and you can bring your buddy!lol! tell him that hes a 'pretender'!lol!

fucking hilarious!but seriously im done its childish to bicker like this..he wont ever 'take the hint' its better to be the 'gentleman' here! just like that guy that you dont know at all!lol. so im backing down on this subject. happy new years.

Ivy, let me ask this, how do you know everything about every family? How? Woukd you believe you? You disregard any different opinion, bully people! Every family!

shall we all just come here and wait for you to feed us the truth? from what you state your the expert on everything!

He is somebody who's in a better position to know about Salerno than actual Mafia members? How do you figure that?



What hint? That I should just take your word for it? Sorry, anybody with a brain isn't going to do that.

And, this started out as a simple disagreement about Salerno's position. It was you and your buddy who turned it ugly.



I don't know everything about every family. Never said I did. Which is precisely why I don't offer my own opinion on things. I simply post what experts have said, whether they be mafiosi who have turned or been caught on bugs, or what the FBI says.

But of course, that's when I get blamed for being an FBI parrot. No matter what I do, I get blamed if I don't accept whatever a nameless, faceless poster on an internet forum says.

Couldn't be said better i felt as in no way that Ivy was trying to disrespect anybody, it's just not the easiest thing to belive that somebody with "inside info" whould come on internet, create an account, and share these things. Just my personal opinion i am in no way trying to disrespect anybody.

What I have a problem with is you calling these facts into question with nothing but your opinion to go on. [/quote]

If that's the case you are your own worst culprit! What do you base your opinions on? You were there! Mafia expert you are with all your facts and everyone else has opinions! Joke!
Your a hypocrite! Plains and simple. Sitting here using convicted liars who were striking while the iron was hot ratting out Chin. Then taking conversations and spinning the dates for your argument! I'm suppose to take what you say as a fact! Because your a know it all

Read the entire conversation, there's no one here trying to say they have "inside information" it's two different opinions! Hard to believe someone would interject without reading the entire argument.

I agree, it's useless. Can't have a conversation with this guy. We made it ugly? Guy needs to read his posts!

I have.

So who's claimed inside info?

No, I wasn't there. Which is why I'm going by the people that were there and what they said. How hard is that to understand?



Your argument has inherently claimed that very thing. You've argued that you are somehow in a position to know that Cafaro, Gravano, and Casso were lying. You've argued that Salerno's comment about "the boss" was taken out of context. And, well, you've conveniently ignored the other bugged conversations I posted. Easier to do, I suppose, than trying to explain them away.

Nobody gives two shits about "opinions." Your's or mine. What we should care about is demonstrable facts. I've posted them. You haven't. The end.

I have made a mistake and i did not mean say claimed

Your argument has inherently claimed that very thing. You've argued that you are somehow in a position to know that Cafaro, Gravano, and Casso were lying. You've argued that Salerno's comment about "the boss" was taken out of context. And, well, you've conveniently ignored the other bugged conversations I posted. Easier to do, I suppose, than trying to explain them away.

Nobody gives two shits about "opinions." Your's or mine. What we should care about is demonstrable facts. I've posted them

That's what i was trying to say but dont have the extensive vocab that my fact stating friend has.

The End! The almighty Ivy has spoken!

And yes, you claim ultimate authority on EVERY family! Your the guy who has all the answers! The guy who gets ignored! Every family, every made guy, two bit player etc. Your a know it all plain and simple. And you envy guys from this area! It's obvious

You've had plenty of chances to post demonstrable evidence. You haven't done so.



I claim law enforcement, organized crime experts, and mafiosi who have turned have the ultimate authority. Not me.

How many times do I have to say that before it will get through your thick skull?

Cops and Rats! Good sources there!

My thick skull! Rather be a thick skulled Italian than an insecure, envious egomaniac!

However i do feel as though we have covered for the most part what we know about Mr.Salerno we should we personal feelings and this threads in the past. By the way Ivy i tried to PM you i wanted to know about a vacation in Utah and im being serious the last time i was there i had a 16 hour delay.

Indeed. Much better than internet bullshitters.



I'm just curious, why would I be envious of somebody who I think is a bullshitter? Why would I be envious of somebody who, it appears to me, comes on internet forums and pretends to know things he doesn't? Why would anyone be envious of somebody like that? Furthermore, why would I be envious of somebody simply because they're Italian? Is that particular ethnic group extra special for some reason? Does one really have to be Italian to understand the intricacies of the Mafia?

These are all rhetorical questions, of course. I think I can pretty much rest my case at this point.

Was this PM recent? What's your question? You may want to try sending the PM again.

You've spent two hours of your life arguing with me, that is quite a bit of time for someone who you feel is full of shit!

Pathetic? To these forums? I belong to this one only! As a matter of fact your sent me an invitation here to join another one.

What's pathetic is you belonging to multiple forums hiding behind a computer because in the real world you don't count for anything.

Yeah I'm done also, you and all your first hand knowledge are to much for me. I will buy every book, join fifty forums and spend all my time reading about the Mafia and pushing my ideas as gospel!

This place was so peaceful when you were tossed! People could actually share ideas, discuss things. You and your know it all attitude destroys that!