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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Again in Idaho or Utah the real boss didnt affect your daily life, you have no clue! Reality is here where it matters most! Not in some Mafia Fantasy camp where you play! You can keep playing the geography card all you want. It's means nothing. How does being from NYC give you special insight into who was the boss back in the 1980's? Is it the air? The water? Do all NYC residents get quarterly updates on the inner workings of the Mafia? By the way, I love how you just dodged Five Felonies' post. And hiding behind the fact that you have no clue what your talking about besides the skewed information you provide as fact! If you lived in an area there are certainly issues you understand. You use it against people who are familier with a certain area! It's your crutch! You can't handle it. So all Pizza Boys opinions are bullshit! Ivy your a "wanna be" that's what we would call you, you wanna be everything you aren't
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 12:01 AM
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And hiding behind the fact that you have no clue what your talking about besides the skewed information you provide as fact! If you lived in an area there are certainly issues you understand. You use it against people who are familier with a certain area! It's your crutch! You can't handle it. So all Pizza Boys opinions are bullshit! Ivy your a "wanna be" that's what we would call you, you wanna be everything you aren't
Numerous turncoat mafiosi, various bugged conversations, and the U.S. government = "skewed."  And quit trying to lump in pizzaboy with you. I've never seen him say anything, based on him simply being from the Bronx, that's contradicts major known facts like you have.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 12:05 AM
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You dont think they put a freeze on it after springfield? It would be easy to put guys on a 5 year probation period, I know that i just thinking but it just seems like alot to have only had 5 flip, im aware that everybody puts at 200+ so i wont make a big deal but the more people the more risk and im just bullshitting i know i probably wrong. Thanks for the info All we can really do is go by the latest official estimate. Beyond that we get into guesswork and that can go any number of places and possibilities. Also, keep in mind that 200 members has been the average, most consistent estimate for the family in recent years. But it's just an informed estimate by the feds and doesn't mean the actual real life number doesn't fluctuate. You'll recall back in the 1980's when Gotti reminded Chin he had 30 slots to fill. Apparently, 30 members had died and the Genovese family hadn't replaced them yet. So it obviously goes up and down with guys dying and new members being made.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Ivy as usual you skew everything! Rats sell stories!
Pizza Biy lives in the Bronx, you mentioned geography! We know names, streets etc.
I'm sure you or pizzaboy could tell me where to go for a good meal or where to avoid road construction. But you being from the area doesn't mean you have any unique insight into the inner workings of the mob. Seriously, how does you being from NYC - even from East Harlem back in the day - let you know Fat Tony was the real boss? The two have nothing to do with each other. It's just a lazy attempt to give yourself more credibility.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Yeah true i wont try to argue with the feds. Do you think it one guy up top or a panel? Ask in English
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 12:15 AM
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Yeah true i wont try to argue with the feds. Do you think it one guy up top or a panel? Little in the way of official information. Back in 2009, one news article claimed recently released high-level members - specifically Benny Mangano, Barney Bellomo, Ernie Muscarella, and Larry Dentico - were on a "rotating panel" running the family. A 2011 article claimed Tino Fiumara had been on a three man ruling panel before he died in 2010. It's possible the other two guys on that panel were some of those names listed in the 2009 article.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 12:44 AM
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How much did the Fazio's bring in? I know they with Barbato right? They were accused of extorting $2.4 million from employers and the union. And, yes, they answered to Barbato.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 01:04 AM
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Personsally I'm interested in Bellomo, Cirillo, Dentico, Muscarella, Benny Eggs, Barbato, etc. These are today's names. Let's talk about them, along with the other wiseguys still on the streets from the other four families.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Personsally I'm interested in Bellomo, Cirillo, Dentico, Muscarella, Benny Eggs, Barbato, etc. These are today's names. Let's talk about them, along with the other wiseguys still on the streets from the other four families. Bellomo stays with a close tight crowd, he's got enough money he doesn't need to chance it, QD is old, he's got a clique he sticks with: kind of a family patriarch by this point, Larry after getting out of the can in '09 has lost his nerve and is all but retired, Eggs is literally 345 years old, smart but he's old, he still plays the underboss role but like everyone else that old its tough, Muscerella I've got noe clue, all I know is he has an Afro.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Lol at Muscarella with the afro. So Barney's still active I assume but is cautious with who he interacts with Wouldn't you be! He spent ten years in the can! He's got all his kids out of college! Plenty of money! A few good friends etc. He also got left a bad taste in his mouth when they killed his best friend (Ralph Coppola) and tried to fuck with his life! There was a lot of older guys envious of Barney, so when he went away they took there shots. Especially that midget Jimmy Ida! Little creep he was. Remember Barney was an East Harlem guy, everyone knows that's where all the real power was and all the best guys in the family came from!
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 01:38 AM
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Wouldn't you be! He spent ten years in the can! He's got all his kids out of college! Plenty of money! A few good friends etc. He also got left a bad taste in his mouth when they killed his best friend (Ralph Coppola) and tried to fuck with his life! There was a lot of older guys envious of Barney, so when he went away they took there shots. Especially that midget Jimmy Ida! Little creep he was. Remember Barney was an East Harlem guy, everyone knows that's where all the real power was and all the best guys in the family came from! Ida was supposedly pissed about Bellomo taking the plea deal, one article even claiming he wanted Barney dead, but who else wanted to or actually took shots at Barney? I'm still on the fence regarding whether he signed off on Ralph's murder or not.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Wouldn't you be! He spent ten years in the can! He's got all his kids out of college! Plenty of money! A few good friends etc. He also got left a bad taste in his mouth when they killed his best friend (Ralph Coppola) and tried to fuck with his life! There was a lot of older guys envious of Barney, so when he went away they took there shots. Especially that midget Jimmy Ida! Little creep he was. Remember Barney was an East Harlem guy, everyone knows that's where all the real power was and all the best guys in the family came from! Ida was supposedly pissed about Bellomo for taking the plea deal, one article even claiming he wanted Barney dead, but who else wanted to or actually took shots at Barney? I'm still on the fence regarding whether he signed off on Ralph's murder or not. THERE IS NO WAY! HE WOULD HAVE NEVER TOUCHED Ralphie! Killing Ralphie cut Barney's conduit to the street! Those two were tighter than brother. Ida was mad because he tried to play a hard ass and go to court, he lost and got life! Barney was shrewd took a deal and got to go home. Ida thought by Barney pleading guilty it made everyone else look guilty! No idea if that's true! I guess it could look bad! Other names of who was mad! Truthfully I can't recall! It's been a while. If I had to guess I'm going to say it was Barbato! That is a guess though. I remember it was A Jersey old timer
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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But isn't it a rule in the family to take a plea deal now? And on another note Barney right now could become boss if he wanted to which in some respects he is. But in this day and age who the hell wants it? There are no rules as far as I know, it's the path of least residence though. Think of it from a business stand point. Do 50 years if you fight or 5 if you dont! Barney, no he doesn't need the hassle, he's got enough! He doesn't feel the nostalgia or have an ego enough to want it! Danny Leo gets out of the can in a few weeks, there's another serious player! Another East Harlem guy making us proud! Pleasent Ave/ 118th to be exact!
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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The Gambinos rivaled the Genovese in many ways from the 1960's to the 1990's but never supplanted them as the top family in the country. And even during that time, the Genovese were considered richer, better diversified, and more sophisticated in terms of their influence in labor unions and legitimate industries. It was the Genovese who represented many of the east coast families on the Commission and had the strongest ties with other families around the country.
While Gambino had a lot of influence on the Commission, and could be considered the first among equals at his peak, there hasn't been a "boss of bosses" in the U.S. At least since Maranzano and before anyway. I disagree. But I'm not here to argue. Who is running things for the bonanno family since all of their top guys are in prison. I suspect Tony Calabrese but I don't know for sure "The Genovese family has probably been the most powerful La Cosa Nostra family of the last hundred years." - Ask Andy, Gangland News (1996) "I have always considered the Genovese Family to be the most powerful LCN family in the United States." - Al D'Arco, Lucchese LCN family Acting Boss (1994) "You keep hearing all this crap about Gotti being the boss of the bosses, but the Genovese have always been the country's most powerful family." - Richard Ross, FBI (1990) "The Genovese family is the most sophisticated, cautious, secretive, and powerful Cosa Nostra family in the United States." - Phil Leonetti, Philadelphia LCN Underboss (1989) I was pissing my pants reading this 
Random Poster:"I'm sorry I didn't go to an Ivy-league school like you"
"Ah I actually I didn't. It's a nickname the feds gave the Genovese Family."
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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01/06/13 07:29 AM
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Ivy, if i believed half of yojr bad information I would be in trouble! Your so out of touch its scary. Your a million miles away and have no clue. Everyone has an agenda when they tell a story. Tony had more juice in his pinky than you coukd ever hope to have. Like I said if this took place in the mountains of Utah you would be all for that! this is getting old. what do you disagree with, what info to the contrary do you have to present? if you have inside info, either present it, or stop claiming to know something others don't. geography has nothing to do with mob info, except for the "ear to the street" that so many claim to have, and if you are not willing to share detailed info, just stop. i've said it before, but apparantly it bears repeating: we are all anoynomous here, so trying to discredit someone based soley on where they live is just silly. i live in nj, but guess what, i don't have a clue what the genovese family is up to, yet i could easily claim otherwise, very easy to do online. EH, i enjoy some of your posts, but it seems lately that you seem more focused on discrediting other posters, rather than adding your own info. when ivy stopped posting here, the OC section of this forum took a nosedive, and thats a fact! rather than trying to dump on other people, i think we should all try and add useful info of our own, avoid rehashing old topics, and above all else, be NICE! Amen.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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Ivy, if i believed half of yojr bad information I would be in trouble! Your so out of touch its scary. Your a million miles away and have no clue. Everyone has an agenda when they tell a story. Tony had more juice in his pinky than you coukd ever hope to have. Like I said if this took place in the mountains of Utah you would be all for that! this is getting old. what do you disagree with, what info to the contrary do you have to present? if you have inside info, either present it, or stop claiming to know something others don't. geography has nothing to do with mob info, except for the "ear to the street" that so many claim to have, and if you are not willing to share detailed info, just stop. i've said it before, but apparantly it bears repeating: we are all anoynomous here, so trying to discredit someone based soley on where they live is just silly. i live in nj, but guess what, i don't have a clue what the genovese family is up to, yet i could easily claim otherwise, very easy to do online. EH, i enjoy some of your posts, but it seems lately that you seem more focused on discrediting other posters, rather than adding your own info. when ivy stopped posting here, the OC section of this forum took a nosedive, and thats a fact! rather than trying to dump on other people, i think we should all try and add useful info of our own, avoid rehashing old topics, and above all else, be NICE! Amen. http://www.newsnet1.com/electricnevada.com/pages96/wynn.htmFive, above is a link to a pretty interesting article! And I see to a point regarding my attitude! However I disagree in regards to geography! Either way give this article a read, regardless of titles it's an interesting read.
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Re: Which family is the most powerful in North America
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North America? Does that include Canada in this case? Because personally I would like to know people's opinion on whether the Rizzuto's are more powerful than the Genovese's or vice versa?
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