I've never ever claimed any inside information, thats an envious response! Not one time have I ever claimed anything besides local knowledge! It would be like me telling you about Muttin or bag pipes! How would I know? By reading about it online? Give me a break!

Remember Raguna's bakery. Big same took it over same bread in the place for years. He used to smack old ladies around if they were late paying their loans.

Once after church st Ann's we go into big SAMs to play cards. He had a f
Dog I thought he liked that dog. Dog must have got sick. He shits in the club. Big Sam takes a fire ax and cuts the dogs head off got blood every where all over us.

Didn't know any of those people, I lived across from Marrone's so I was there every day!

Your too young to remember big Sam.

Salerno was a boss.

Salerno was a boss. [/quote]

Not according to these people! They say he was a stooge! Remember the Purple Gang? Pleasent Ave?

Is it Pleasant Ave where Ivyleagues two brothers grew up?

[quote=DickNose_Moltasanti]Is it Pleasant Ave where Ivyleagues two brothers grew up? [/quote

No, if they did he would know what he was talking about.

For the record, nobody ever called Fat Tony a "stooge."

Just that he was never the official boss. Unless one wants to ignore the testimony of several former mafiosi, various bugged conversations (including of Fat Tony himself), the FBI, and former prosecutors.

But we've been over that.

I see Fat Tony similar as Momo Giancana under Ricca in the Chi Outfit,although Momo was the official boss for the public at the time and he was way more powerful than Fat Tony,but he took orders also,so call it a front boss or whatever but if any of thouse front bosses ever wanted to take the top place,they had the power to do it....but both of em stayed loyal and kept their mouth shut,so one ended/died in jail and other one was murdered just to prevent any further complications

Ivy, let's just ignore these fools. EastHarlemItal is probably Imamobguy2 or another faker who thinks he knows all but can't even point to sources. He is as fake as a strippers tits.

As for Dicknose, he is a wannabe too. He's been sending me nasty PM's with East joining in. They both have to be what? 15-20 years old tops.

Envious of what exactly? Am i crazy or is local knowledge not just another way of saying inside information? Btw i never said you were claiming either. For the record i wouldn't be surprised if you knew more about mutton or bagpipes since i'm not a living stereotype.

When I left Harlem Big Sam was just a loan shark but I did here from Johnny roast beef he became a boss for a half a second with no power. But I don't know that as a fact. You guys remember celentos right. Johnny worked in their as a kid. Then he took over the place and it became Johnny super heros. I would go back their often. You could buy a lot of things in the place besides food. Interesting story about big sam and Johnny. Big same loaned money to johnny to start off that business. Plus he bough his lunch and dinners for himself and his guys from Johnny. He did not even charge him interest on the loan because he knew John as a kid and everyone like Johnny .

Until he noticed that he paid more for cold soda then for not refrigerated. Big Sam went nuts he wanted back all the money that he loaned John. John knew he had to come up with the money or he's dead.

He did

So it was a candy shop then

There was a candy store near the subway stop on a Hun 10 and lex.owned by 2 Jewish brothers that was the Jewish area back then. Incidently a lot of tough Jews back then my father was one of them. Well later they still owned the place but they were taken over by Spanish heroin dealers.

The big fish eat the little fish

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No doubt. In my opinion Italian Americans have more in common with the Jewish Americans than just about any other ethnic group (in New York City, anyway). Except for Christmas and pork chops, we're pretty much the same.

That tight my father first saw my mother comming out of that subway station, he told the owners of that candy store he was going to marry that Italian women. After stalking her a few years he arrived her and converted to catholism.

Only problem with Daddio was he was too free with his hands. I must have been public enemy number 1 as a 5 year old. He would bang my head against the kitchen wall to make me good. He would hit my older brother with his fists to make him good and he would burn my mother with cigs to make her good.

That awkward moment when even off topic goes off topic.

I had the exact same thought, Carm.

I am sorry about that I tend to go off the topic sometimes. Like I said it sucks to be old. I post on soccer sites and do the same thing at times.

this is ridiculous every thread turns into a shit show over a little disagreement. and also what is your problem people? every time somebody actually may really know about someone/something from they're own personal knowledge or experience that person is attacked for being an alleged liar. this is truly turning me off about this board and its a shame because I like it here. it's halted me from sharing some interesting facts relevant to certain topics,simply because of this. God forbid a guy is really related or knows/knew someone that may get mentioned here and could share something useful to people's interests, they are almost always made fun of or ridiculed immediately. for christsake some of you seem to take things so serious on this internet message board like they really do bother you. I'm tired of potentially great threads being ruined by the bullish. let's share what we know guys, and its never wrong to simply agree to disagree

+1. Id personally like to see more street guys post than google search experts. But i dont think one should limit the other. If a guy claims to be a street guy on here let him! The other guys who know that area should be able to tell if a guy is bullshitting. But just telling a guy hes lying or has an agenda bc his statements contridict with other sources? I dont see the point ivyleague.

Problem is, the ones being bullish (eastharlem, gamms, Dicknose_Moltasanti) are the ones shitting on knowledgable guys like Ivy because he quotes SOURCES and experts. They don't like that obviously and things weren't ugly until they called Ivy a "know-it-all". That's just wrong. Just because he knows his shit and always sources his material. I've gotten several PM's from these people telling me how I'm a pussy and so on.

It's irritating, but I can manage it. Just goes to show their level of maturity. I'm too old for that, but I will call Dicknose a butt boy, because he is a follower and always will be. Never a leader and he likes to stir up trouble. Just my two cents.

Does Westside jack ever post on here? Aka John binder is a outfit historian especially on Capone. I met him by sccident years ago. He is alway on the history channel.

Again for the record I provided several sources and sourced documents! You chose to ignore them LCN. I'm the bully? I was called a "ass pirate' and other derogatory terms!

And as far as following I will let you read your snide one comment posts where you take a rude, snide attitude with whomever you choose! I'm a lot of things, one I am not is a hypocrite like others here.

Your points are made. Let's not add fuel to the fire with name-calling now.

A lot of fighting in words on this site. I hate looking things up on the Internet. Bad thing is I have a bad memory now. You guys would dig my older brother he has a much better memory that I do. But, would never post on a site like this or any site for that matter.

Can't you post youtubes on this. I have some you tubes of when we were kids in Harlem.

No, SC, my point hasn't been completely made. My point is that i can sit here and tell you a story(or stories) about a guy like Joe MacDonald or Johnny Martorano and others from the Winter Hill Gang, one that your not going to read in books,because my source is Billy Barnoski, a former Winter Hill leg breaker,that's my fucking source of lots of awesome stories,which u people call "information", because me and the guy lived in cells right next to eachother for YEARS,ate together,laughed,argued tons,ran a poker table,walked the yard,i helped him keep in shape for his old age by doing pullups and pushups,i still recieve x-mas cards from him via his wife Donna,a sweethart. My point is people here don't like to hear that shit and say things like "yeahhh ok!" why? because i can't give you a damn link to some website that varifies ANY of it,because like i said my source is a living person doing life in shirley medium. not gangland.com . that is my point. what is it? jealousy? shouldnt be, because billy is far from a "cool" guy i noticed after a long time. i got so sick of his stories i could recite them in my sleep and he'd repeat them all knowing he's told them twice. my point also being, EVERY NOW AND THEN, A GUY COMES AROUND WHO IS NOT A BULLSHIT ARTIST. thanks

I didn't choose to ignore them, you CHOSE to ignore everything Ivy posted. The fact is Tony Salerno was a front boss, as most sources state this CLEARLY. What goes on in your head is not a source. In an ideal world, we'd agree to disagree. Now shall we? And please stop sending me PM's with Dicknose. I'm too old for that.