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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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First off. Eastharlem, if you knew who he was.. Probably has the best source possible when it comes to the fat tony chin situatuion. That's a fact. I couldn't care less who he is. If he's saying Fat Tony was the real boss, he's not a good source of info. That's a fact. The whole Fat Tony/Chin topic isn't even up for debate. It was settled a long time ago. The evidence is overwhelming. There's nothing left to say, and nobody is saying it, except a few historical revisionists on the internet. Anyone....and I mean anyone.... who believes some internet poster over several known mob turncoats, several independent wiretaps, as well as the feds and former prosecutors in the case itself has their head so far up their ass daylight is a distant memory. That's a fact. Two- I don't think gamms gets any information off of the internet of the fbi files or any of that other shit. Yes, he does. Everybody does. Nobody is so hooked in that they know everybody in NYC and know what's going on with all the families in every borough. Use some common sense here. Even those who do have some inside information are still going to get most of their information from the same sources we all do.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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There's a very well known "inside" poster from the RD and another forum. This guy is considered by many to be as "inside" as it gets. It's almost blasphemy to question or debate this guy.
You know what? He also said Fat Tony, like Frank Tieri before him, was the real boss and they would never front for anybody. But guess what? His reasoning was the exact opposite of EastHarlem's. Whereas EastHarlem said Cafaro lied in order to "destroy" Fat Tony, this other poster said Cafaro lied in order to "protect" Fat Tony.
So, we've got two supposed insiders saying the exact opposite thing on this issue. Anyone with a lick of sense can see they're both just floating their own theory/opinion as fact. Neither of them are in a position to really know the real scoop. Certainly not more than Cafaro did, who worked directly under Fat Tony for years.
And yet, there will always be people on these forums eating out of these guys' hands, no matter how much evidence may contradict them. I'm inclined to think it's because people want to believe so much that they have their own inside link to the Mafia, that they'll throw all common sense and objectivity out the window. It's sad.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Like others I dont want to contribute to anymore of this back and forth about this cause I am also tired of reading about it. But Gamms has proven himself to not be a bullshit artist regardless of what others may or may not think. He's a big boy and can speak for himself.
Fact is Gamms and I have discussed this Colombo situation in private before, and he wont say who it is cause he doesnt wasnt to out this individual (he has his reasons) but I know who the guy is he is referring to and if that information ever surfaces in the media I will gladly back him up if needed. Again, he may know some things. He may know some people. But that doesn't mean he isn't dead wrong about Fat Tony. And you know it. Also, like I said before, how about he tells us all who the real underboss for the Colombos is at the moment?
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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I didnt say anything about Fat Tony cause I could care less. Sorry, Dap, but if you're going to bat for his credibility, you don't have the luxury of not acknowledging this issue. Believe what you want and disregard what you dont want as you always do. It's your right. How about he gives me a reason to think he's a legit source of info? So far, he's given me diddly squat other than the same attitude I've gotten from so many others.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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I didnt say anything about Fat Tony cause I could care less. Sorry, Dap, but if you're going to bat for his credibility, you don't have the luxury of not acknowledging this issue. Believe what you want and disregard what you dont want as you always do. It's your right. How about he gives me a reason to think he's a legit source of info? So far, he's given me diddly squat other than the same attitude I've gotten from so many others. Sorry, but you cant tell me what I have or dont have the luxury to do. Period. Maybe if you didn't disagree/and try and destroy all credibility any if these "insiders" have when they automatically say something that goes against anything that has been established from previous sources then they might be inclined to reach out to you in private and explain their rationale for their assertion.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Sorry, but you cant tell me what I have or dont have the luxury too. Yes, I can. You can't say gamms is credible but, when I bring up something he's demonstrably wrong on, you just sweep it under the rug and don't want to talk about it. How does that look? Maybe if you didn't disagree/and try and destroy all credibility any if these "insiders" have when they automatically say something that goes against anything that has been established from previous sources then they might be inclined to reach out to you in private and explain their rationale for their assertion. And that... right there...is the big lie. That I have some agenda to destroy any and all insiders. It's bullshit. There are local guys that I get along with very well and have never had reason to butt heads with. "pizzaboy" is one example from this forum. "sticks" is one example from the RD forum. These guys offer what they know but they don't have out of control egos. They don't get defensive, and turn into whining primadonnas, if you question or disagree with them. And they don't try to bully you but constantly reminding you of where they're from and of their "insider" credentials. I didn't come back on this board and think, "You know what, I'm going to kill gamm's credibility." No, he started doing that on his own when he supported EastHarlem's BS about Fat Tony. And he's had an attitude ever since.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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i have no idea who was the real boss,it never bothered me at night! what i will say is that i will believe any thing east harlem says on the subject.and i take his word as fact.
secondly,i would never name drop any one to a self righteous ass such as your self.
and thirdly,i appreciate you guys support but it is not neccasary.i dont care in the least whether a guy like ivy league beleives me. or his opinion of me,i could care less. First, why did you ask me who the real underboss of the Colombos is if you don't know? You should know, just like the rest of us, since the feds have already told us. You certainly implied that you knew something but, when I ask that you tell us something, you backpedal and say you don't want to "drop names." Second, the fact that you say you'll believe what EastHarlem says no matter what is the very essence of the problem here. He's demonstrably wrong on the Fat Tony issue. Vincent Cafaro says so. Sammy Gravano says so. Gaspipe Casso says so. George Barone says so. What? They're all lying? That's a convenient excuse. But what about all the tapes that either state or imply that Chin was the boss, including from Fat Tony himself? Are you going to ignore those just like EastHarlem does? What about the former prosecutors who openly admit they didn't have the correct information? Or respected mob journalists like Jerry Capeci and Selwyn Raab who also back all of this up? You're going to toss all this out the window because of what EastHarlem says? And I'm supposed to take your seriously? Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's just raining.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Sorry, but you cant tell me what I have or dont have the luxury too. Yes, I can. You can't say gamms is credible but, when I bring up something he's demonstrably wrong on, you just sweep it under the rug and don't want to talk about it. How does that look? Maybe if you didn't disagree/and try and destroy all credibility any if these "insiders" have when they automatically say something that goes against anything that has been established from previous sources then they might be inclined to reach out to you in private and explain their rationale for their assertion. And that... right there...is the big lie. That I have some agenda to destroy any and all insiders. It's bullshit. There are local guys that I get along with very well and have never had reason to butt heads with. "pizzaboy" is one example from this forum. "sticks" is one example from the RD forum. These guys offer what they know but they don't have out of control egos. They don't get defensive, and turn into whining primadonnas, if you question or disagree with them. And they don't try to bully you but constantly reminding you of where they're from and of their "insider" credentials. I didn't come back on this board and think, "You know what, I'm going to kill gamm's credibility." No, he started doing that on his own when he supported EastHarlem's BS about Fat Tony. And he's had an attitude ever since. No, you cant. Nobody is sweeping anything under the rug. He can speak for himself on Fat Tony (and he has), I spoke on his credibility about the Colombo situation. Nothing more. Biggest lie? Your response was the biggest lie, lets be serious here. You name a few posters who you get along with but you never name all the guys who are tired of your "i know everything about the mob and can back it up with google sources" attitude and the way you treat any of these "insiders" and also the number of posters you have managed to alienate, a number of them even at the insistence of others on a forum who ask you politely many times to cut it out you still continue.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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No, you cant. Nobody is sweeping anything under the rug. He can speak for himself on Fat Tony (and he has), I spoke on his credibility about the Colombo situation. Nothing more. The Colombo situation? Have you read what he's posted. Or, I should say, he hasn't posted? He won't even be clear on the "Colombo situation." He asks me who's the real underboss, implying he has inside info a lowly Googler like myself wouldn't know. When I ask for more info, he backpedals. So what's he saying exactly that has so much credibility? Biggest lie? Your response was the biggest lie, lets be serious here. You name a few posters who you get along with but you never name all the guys who are tired of your "i know everything about the mob and can back it up with google sources" attitude and the way you treat any of these "insiders" and also the number of posters you have managed to alienate, a number of them even at the insistence of others on a forum who ask you politely many times to cut it out you still continue. First, you know damn well I've never claimed to know "everything" about the mob. So you can stick that strawman right now. Second, I've never said anything about Google. I provide what public information I can find, including sources, so all can see. Which, the vast majority of the time, is a hell of a lot better than friggin' internet rumors based on jack shit. Third, as I said, I butt heads wit most of these guys because most of them do exaggerate their level of knowledge. And, unlike others, I've never been afraid to call them on it. Of course, that's when they turn to the "You're ruining the thread" card. Just make me out to be the bad guy. They usually do it about the time they realized they've lost and don't have shit to say. Well go back and look who started this debate. It wasn't me.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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LET IT GO, GUYS!!!
You have to stop this bickering already. Present your arguments and your sources of information would be helpful, too. You can argue the merits of your case but you must stop the name-calling and nit-picking between you. It's becoming more apparent that neither side here will win the other side over to their view, and that's OK, but no more of this childish crap is going to be allowed. No more!
Strictly from a personal view, for whatever it's worth, I've heard things on the street as a kid that I KNOW to be true and have not appeared on the internet. On the other hand, I've learned facts from the internet that went against rumors I had heard on the street. You have to be your own judge as to whose information is more correct. Other than that, try to listen to the other side, and if you can't accept their info then say so and just let it go.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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No, you cant. Nobody is sweeping anything under the rug. He can speak for himself on Fat Tony (and he has), I spoke on his credibility about the Colombo situation. Nothing more. The Colombo situation? Have you read what he's posted. Or, I should say, he hasn't posted? He won't even be clear on the "Colombo situation." He asks me who's the real underboss, implying he has inside info a lowly Googler like myself wouldn't know. When I ask for more info, he backpedals. So what's he saying exactly that has so much credibility? Biggest lie? Your response was the biggest lie, lets be serious here. You name a few posters who you get along with but you never name all the guys who are tired of your "i know everything about the mob and can back it up with google sources" attitude and the way you treat any of these "insiders" and also the number of posters you have managed to alienate, a number of them even at the insistence of others on a forum who ask you politely many times to cut it out you still continue. First, you know damn well I've never claimed to know "everything" about the mob. So you can stick that strawman right now. Second, I've never said anything about Google. I provide what public information I can find, including sources, so all can see. Which, the vast majority of the time, is a hell of a lot better than friggin' internet rumors based on jack shit. Third, as I said, I butt heads wit most of these guys because most of them do exaggerate their level of knowledge. And, unlike others, I've never been afraid to call them on it. Of course, that's when they turn to the "You're ruining the thread" card. Just make me out to be the bad guy. They usually do it about the time they realized they've lost and don't have shit to say. Well go back and look who started this debate. It wasn't me. That's exactly my point. It is what he has verified on a private level with information that has only been verified by other street guys you yourself have said to believe. Usually when a poster isn't clear, or refuses to post it publicly, 9 times out of 10 he is not saying the truth. But in this case, I have verified in private and through other "insiders" which you yourself have stated to believe what he has shared with me not just on this specific colombo situation but also stuff about various other individuals. He's under no obligation to post this information publicly, and neither am I since this information was shared privately with a very clear caveat to not share it publicly or otherwise. I am done talking about this dead-horse.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Other mafiosi who have cried poor in recent times include Tic Cataldo, Dom Cirillo, Nicky Scarfo Jr., Anthony St. Laurent, to name a few. Of course, Cataldo had over $1.4 million in equity, Cirillo is one of the top guys in the richest crime family in the country, Scarfo Jr. was living in a very nice house and driving very nice cars, and St. Laurent, in addition to the $800K to $1.5 million in street tax over the past 20 years, was still involved in the local rackets when he was busted. Heck, even when he was in prison.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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That's exactly my point. It is what he has verified on a private level with information that has only been verified by other street guys you yourself have said to believe. Usually when a poster isn't clear, or refuses to post it publicly, 9 times out of 10 he is not saying the truth. But in this case, I have verified in private and through other "insiders" which you yourself have stated to believe what he has shared with me not just on this specific colombo situation but also stuff about various other individuals. He's under no obligation to post this information publicly, and neither am I since this information was shared privately with a very clear caveat to not share it publicly or otherwise.
I am done talking about this dead-horse.
Ah...the "I know this or that but I can't say anything." If you guys want to talk about credibility, people are under an obligation to post stuff here out in the open. Otherwise, nobody here has any reason to believe what they say. In short, put up or shut up. Don't give me this "So and so told me in a PM" shit.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Jesus Christ,
People arent under any obligation to do anything they don't want to do, especially if its to satisfy your specific inquiries/curiosity.
I said what I had to say but you ALWAYS got to get the last word in, huh?
How about you just shut up! How about that?
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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If you guys want to talk about credibility, people are under an obligation to post stuff here out in the open. Otherwise, nobody here has any reason to believe what they say.
In short, put up or shut up. Don't give me this "So and so told me in a PM" shit. Let it go, Ivy. I won't tell you again!
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Other mafiosi who have cried poor in recent times include Tic Cataldo, Dom Cirillo, Nicky Scarfo Jr., Anthony St. Laurent, to name a few. Of course, Cataldo had over $1.4 million in equity, Cirillo is one of the top guys in the richest crime family in the country, Scarfo Jr. was living in a very nice house and driving very nice cars, and St. Laurent, in addition to the $800K to $1.5 million in street tax over the past 20 years, was still involved in the local rackets when he was busted. Heck, even when he was in prison. Leave The Cataldo's alone man they're good people
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Ivy what you up to this weekend you hanging out with any girls? Girl, singular. Not girls. What am I, Hugh Hefner?
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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Ivy what you up to this weekend you hanging out with any girls? Girl, singular. Not girls. What am I, Hugh Hefner? Is she Italian? You should take her to see Gangster Squad
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Is she Italian? You should take her to see Gangster Squad No, she's not Italian. At least I don't think so. And she probably wants to see Gangster Squad as much as I want to see the latest Twilight movie. I'll probably go with my brother and/or a friend to see Gangster Squad.
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Re: Benjamin Castellazzo cries poverty
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If you guys want to talk about credibility, people are under an obligation to post stuff here out in the open. Otherwise, nobody here has any reason to believe what they say.
In short, put up or shut up. Don't give me this "So and so told me in a PM" shit. Let it go, Ivy. I won't tell you again! SC just out of curiosity do you have high blood pressure/ hyper-tension I do I take enalapril maleate 10mg just don't want you to pop a blood vessel those big bold black capital letters seem to have you enraged...I can see why...just looking out my doctor put me on it and it helped me relax a little bit then again you are the mod and have to mediate all the threads
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