Wow this gets crazier and crazier.

yes but i cant read french grrrr

My dear friend and business partner Google translate can help you solve that problem.

Here he is:

http://translate.google.com/#en/fr/

Plus Joe had already explained it to us.

Link:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/mont...4452/story.html

Smart move by Raynald. It sucks they have a gag order on the trial though, would be awesome to follow it!

it'll all come out after the trial is over

Alleged ex-bodyguard of Rizzuto associate convicted in gunfire incident
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...-on-all-charges

Raynald Desjardins has decided to plead guilty to the murder of Sal Montagna.

Link to French-language article:

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...de-coupable.php

Translation (using Google Translate):

Published July 6, 2015 at 3:14 p.m. | Updated at 3:14 p.m.
Murder of Salvatore Montagna Raynald Desjardins pleads guilty
DAPHNÉ CAMERON
La Presse

Initially accused of the premeditated murder of aspiring godfather Salvatore Montagna, the guy Raynald Desjardins pleaded guilty this afternoon to a reduced charge of conspiracy to murder.

The details of the hearing, which took place in Gouin Judicial Services Centre, are subject to a publication ban.

Recall that Salvatore Montagna, former acting head of the crime family of New York Bonanno, was killed Nov. 24, 2011 in the island Vaudry to Charlemagne.

The 40 year old man was found lifeless and bloodied on the shore of the L'Assomption River, vraisemblement to escape from the scene of the tragedy.

Raynald Desjardins was arrested a month later.

Sentencing representations will take place on 21 December 2015. The maximum sentence under the Criminal Code is life imprisonment.

Strange. Publication ban. Did he flip or do like nicodemo in philly. Didn't have a chance at trial so please out and hope he sees the outside one day. Sounds like he got please cappd like 15 years.

This morning, three reporters of La Presse updated the story on Desjardins's guilty plea. Below is the link to a translation, using Google Translate, of this interesting article.

English translation of La Presse article

You might be particularly shocked to read the tidbits toward the very end of the article, such as the claim that Sal Montagna may have had contact with Vito Rizzuto at a certain point after the murder of Gerlando Sciascia, who apparently invited Montagna to join the Bonanno Family.

Quick bit I got out the article George s was the guy who recruited him to the family and he was close with rizzutto people.

So does anyone care to elaborate on what is going on in the wild Wild West? I mean Canada... I read somewhere they made a guy that wasn't italian and he moved to Italy and was killed for saying he was... Any truth to this... Also, what is going on in Canada??

Are you sure that's not a translation error?



http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...talian-recruits

They shed fascinating and unexpected light on the perplexing and deadly struggle for control of Canada’s underworld — a struggle that has claimed 20 lives — after police in Sicily monitored conversations between dozens of mobsters, including Canadians visiting and living in the birthplace of the Mafia.

Declaring that Mr. Rizzuto “makes the f–king rules” regardless of what Mafia bosses in Sicily thought, Mr. Fernandez asserted his right to sit at the table with other “men of honour.”

“Vito ‘made’ me and my compare, Raynald,” Mr. Fernandez is heard saying on a wiretap, a reference to being officially inducted into the Mafia, a right previously reserved for Italians.

“You’re not Italian,” said the surprised man he was speaking with.

“No, no. Me and my compare,” Mr. Fernandez insisted, were “made” men despite their lineage.

I think this guy was whacked shortly thereafter in Sicily - Though supposedly the shooters were deported Canadian mafioso. Sounds like he was a little too aggressive in asserting his right to sit down with them, and then he spat in the face of generations of tradition. Same guy also said this to the Sicilians:

“Show some respect. I sit at the right hand of God, that’s how close"

The Italian authorities did say this however:

“The order to kill him came from Canada,” said Lt.-Col. Bottino, declining to say which faction might have made the decision. If he is correct, it means the war in Canada stretched beyond its borders

So they believe Rizzuto gave the okay. We don't know the exact reason WHY he was killed, though, or why they did in Sicily

My thoughts too slumpy.

it always seemed to me Montagna was made in NY... But the more I read on this forum, the more I realize that almost everything is speculative. Can't trust the mob informants, can't trust the FBI, can't trust the media, etc etc. There's 5 different versions of every story.

The article translation was provided by Google Translate; so you can expect there to be many translation errors.

Which part (or parts) of the translation seems like an egregious error?

Or are you thinking, because of a translation error, I incorrectly interpreted the part about Sciascia's inviting Montagna to become part of the Bonannos?

Let me know, and I'll clarify.

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The presumed (and very likely) killers of Fernandez and Pimentel are Pietro and Salvatore Scaduto, who are from Bagheria and were in Bagheria at the time of the murders. Both brothers spent time living in the Montreal area in the 1990s, perhaps as early as 1989, when they moved to Canada after their father, also a mafioso, was killed in a mafia war.

Pietro spent time living in the Toronto area in 2004 and possibly for some time before, when he was a bodyguard for his paesano Michele Modica. Pietro was eventually deported from Canada in relation to the California Sandwiches shooting in Toronto in which Modica was the target of a hit that was bungled.

Yep, I was wondering if that part may have been a mistranslation.

Referencing my other post - it seems like things are wild in Canada. Do they not have the kind of law enforcement agency similar to the FBI? Thus making it harder to control. Is OC relatively 'new' in Canada? And last but not least did they really "make" that non Italian guy?

Why a mistranslation?

Here's the excerpt from the source French-language article (found at http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...de-coupable.php):

• C'est en 1998 que Montagna est invité à se joindre au clan Bonnano par Gerlando Sciascia, surnommé George le Canadien, selon des documents de l'ambassade des États-Unis. Sciascia sera assassiné un an plus tard. Après ce meurtre, Montagna est envoyé à Montréal pour rencontrer Vito Rizzuto.

It seems weird to me that Sciascia, the capo of a foreign crew is inviting people to be made and operate in NY rather than Montreal. Further it points out that Sciascia sent Montagna to Montreal to meet with Rizzuto, essentially admitting that he is the de facto power in what is supposed to be the crew Sciascia "runs". Maybe I just don't know enough about Mafia structure or how they operate. Was it generally accepted that Sciascia was little more than a representative of the Rizzutos? Or was he seen as the legitimate leader of that "crew"?

I am decently proficient with french though, enough to read it fairly accurately and I'm not seeing any problems with the translation. Actually, the google translation was pretty much 100% accurate from what I can tell.

Canada has a more liberal justice system than the US so it's harder to police, but at the same time Canada has less crime.

Never looked it up, but if I had to guess OC is probably tackled jointly by the RCMP and CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service).

I believe any police work that's not handled municipally is the realm of the RCMP, so they're sort of a cross between the FBI and state troopers. CSIS is sort of like the CIA, but it's a civilian organization and I don't think they do any actual law enforcement and/or "military" operations.

However, there is no RCMP in Ontario or Quebec, who have their own Provincial Police forces... Which is also where most of the OC occurs.... So who knows, might be the RCMP there or the OPP and QPP respectively. Depends on what they're funded for, I guess. If they have no budgets for surveillance, and they might not, since their primary function is to serve as police forces in areas that have no municipal law enforcement, then it's probably the RCMP across the nation.

Or all three get their information from CSIS and act according. One thing I've learned about Canada is that anything involving government agencies has to be needlessly complicated and poorly explained.

EDIT: OC is definitely not a new issue here, it's just one we're not very good at tackling, unless it's bikers. We're pretty good at shutting them down. But as far as Italian OC is concerned, we're light years behind the US. Even Vito Rizzuto was taken down on a murder he committed in the US. That's kind of sad, honestly. I've always suspected there's quite a bit of corruption in the QPP, but I don't have any evidence to back that up with.. Just seems like they're ALWAYS content to sit on their hands until there's a public outrage.

He was killed because of Rizzuto. He like Di Maulo, simply rode the fence during the war and once Vito was out he even tried to get Joe Bravo to meet with him in Cuba or the Dominican Republic and he refused to go. That right there signed his own death warrant.

He talked such a big game about being close to Vito to the Sicilians he met with only to then be whacked on Vito's orders. So was he just name dropping vito and exaggerating their relationship to impress the sicilians? Or am I overthinking it?

Montagna may have been sponsored by Sciascia, but he was placed in Patrick DeFilippo's crew, according to law enforcement. The article states that he was sent to Montreal to meet with Rizzuto after Sciascia's death, not before.

No at one time he was very close to Vito, there is no doubt there and he was speaking the truth about how close he was. Whether he was made or not who knows? I tend to say "no" but it was also well known Vito didn't run his family like a normal Sicilian family operated.

He fell out of favor when Vito went away and Joe Bravo went along with Desjardins as he was close to him as well. I'd say he pulled a Di Maulo and went with the group that was going to take over as the Sicilian's were reeling at that time. Then once Vito got out of prison (I'm pretty sure Bravo was well into Sicily by then) he wanted to meet Bravo and of course Fernandez blew off 2 meetings with Rizzuto and by that point Vito had enough and that was the end of the Joe Bravo story.

From reading he and his family from that bonanno recruiting pool gulfo del something. So he's from there home base after George gets killed he's with Pat d. So he's made by massino around 2000 he goes in front a grand jury 2001 and gets perjury. Someone had the power to make him acting boss in NYC so someone had his back. Sounds like he played the fence and Vito wasn't having that.

From reading he and his family from that bonanno recruiting pool gulfo del something. So he's from there home base after George gets killed he's with Pat d. So he's made by massino around 2000 he goes in front a grand jury 2001 and gets perjury. Someone had the power to make him acting boss in NYC so someone had his back. Sounds like he played the fence and Vito wasn't having that.

Castellmare Del Golfo or something like that