This map uses different nations to compare to different United States cities. With so many countries in world to choose from, a person making up that map can find statistical matches for almost anything.

Last weekend they had a gun show here and they said that they had such a long line waiting to get in they opened the doors early and they closed 3 hours later cause the sold all the guns and bullets the people brought. They are having a gun show this weekend in Norfolk I'm sure it will be the same.

Better hurry and buy some bullets. You won't be as safe if your neighbor has more than you.

Man I am scared. Like we used to say as kids "I am shaking like a leaf"

The good news is this will drive up the price of illegal guns. We should be able to find a way to make some money out of this right boys?

This is happening all over the country with many venders pulling out in some shows when the event starts putting on restrictions on what can be shown or sold. They are sending a clear message.

Just wait and see what the new voting group will be in coming elections.

I just love how some people are so willing to give up other peoples rights so easy. Why millions of good citizens have to be punished because of the fear some people have after some nut cases pull sick stunts. And only those good citizen will follow the bands put on them while the real problem causers could give two shits and do what they want anyway. Bans will only give people a fake sense of security.

and when they don't work, the call will be for total bans on all guns which will only make it worst as the crime rate will soar. NYC has had bans on guns for years and that never stopped shooting or crime with a weapon.

A report states that as many as 1 in 4 homes has a weapon in their control.
They all don't scream it out loud though. Many keep it to themselves and aren't flashing their guns out in the open. But you will see many speaking with their votes come election day.

Don't you love the NYC ban on soft drinks. Get ready for more and more control by the Government! After all they know what is good for you!

Get a grip FS.

The secons amendment clearly states that arms may be "well regulated." Requiring background checks and limiting magazines to ten rounds is hardly a punishment to gun owners. For that matter hollow poinjt and armour piercing bullets being banned do not punish lawful gun owners either.

With rights come responsibilities. And as for the limit on sodas in New York, I think anyone opposing it should be responsible to pay a disproportionate amount of money for the diabetes treatment of the idiots who drink those things.

if you are not a gun owner, who are you to say what is punishing them? i agree with fatherson, its very sad how quickly people are willing to give up the rights of others. hollow-point ammo is much safer and more effective to use for self defense. bullets with an expanding design are much less likely to penetrate barriers and potentially injure someone on the other side. any hunting rifle is capable of firing so-called "amour piercing" rounds. real "amour piercing" bullets, meaning rounds with a hardened steel core, are already illegal to posses. as for your take on the soda ban, get real. we shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes or bad choices of others in a free society, ever hear of personal responsibility? a collectivist utopia might be better suited to people with your mindset, let me know if you find one.

Five, why do you assume I do not own a gun?

Hey DT, what kind of grip should I take, they banned pistol grips on some weapons-

anyway, not to be rude to you,but you really should know more about what is being done then what the 2nd amendment is or isn't. If you would research what has happened here in NEW YORK State you would see what our Governor has ramroded into effect here in NY. Almost overnight without any kind of public debates or chance to talk about the items he went and enacted.

No one is talking about background checks, we have them already in NY and it is very tuff to get a new permit in most places and tuffest in NYC. All gun sales go thru a check here. And New York ALREADY had a ten round limit so that isn't what it is either, Cuomo has taken it down from 10 to seven, WHY? because he what to show he is KING and is setting him self up for a run for the white house?
Example:
So most guns that would have taken a 17 round Mags in other states was taken down to 10 years ago, and now he wants to take it to seven. Most popular guns have don't even have 7 round mags for these guns. Why not 10 rounds like the FED ban was stating? or you can have a 10 round Mag but only insert 7 rounds in it?
You know you can tell if a person is anti gun by what he posts and what their reasons are. Even if you are a gun owner, I will guess that you don't carry it for self protection or use it much or you would understand what people are talking about here. Besides the 2nd amendment interpretation.

The gun world is blowing up with all of this because people care!

I'll will tell you this, In most cases the citizen who is a gun owner is very responsible. The people who post in the gun forums post real quality posts and stay on the subject with little or no problems among them. Take a look and see how they are handling this subject and then you would see that it isn't a small problem like non owners or anti gun people think.

And like I said they will be a new voting block in the future elections!


You are right DT "With rights come responsibilities" and people who manage them should not be effected by those that can't or won't. That is why we have laws. How about we make those work rather then heap on new ones which will YES "Punish" and restrict those millions of people that do. The nuts and criminals don't follow any of them.

I thought lawyers where around to protect the good people rights also?

and why should anyone pay for: " pay a disproportionate amount of money for the diabetes treatment of the idiots who drink those things." If I oppose being told what I should or should be allow to do?? We are free men and women still aren't we?

Oh Yeah that is the reason we should always be allowed to have firearms! To stay free!

I know there are only a few who will post because so many other on THIS board do not owner or are anti gun people,and are afraid to go against the grain on here. but some of us do and it would be nice for those that don't to at least listen to what we are posting rather then taking cheap shots on this issue.
Thank for reading and understand where it comes from.
Be safe.

Yup my hubby paid $700.00 for one of his AR's now they are $2000.00.

Federal and state laws do not ban pistol grips on weapons; they regulate weapons that have pistol grips as those grips are defined by statute and regulation.

New York State's S.2230 is a statute passed by the New York State Legislature and forwarded to New York State Governor Cuomo for his signature which it received.

Does it make me and others who own AR's & AK's bad people? No it doesn't. Me and my hub are very responsible with our weapons. They are locked up in gun cabinets and only taken out when we take them to the gun range or when they need to be cleaned and oiled. So what is wrong with that?

Whatever our government decides to do with this issue we will still have those evil/wicked sicko's still committing crimes. It will not stop.

My main issues with people argueing for gun control are..

1. Yes fatherson, i agree with you, the people who usually want more gun control do not own guns themselves, or have little to no knowledge of a firearm (or bullets).

2. The suggested restrictions will only restrict law abiding gun owners. Are we really supposed to believe that every criminal in NYC with an illegal firearm that has a magazine capacity greater than 7, will just say, "better get a smaller magazine, dont want to break the law."

Just my 2 pennys

There are certain responsibilities and controls that should go along with the ownership of weapons. You can own a car, but you can't drive drunk or speed. You can't behave in ways that will endanger others. Gun control is the same. If there are certain restrictions that are necessary for the greater good, then that's what needs to be done.

So we should out law cigarettes? And limit the number of beer youre allowed to buy at once? Or why dont we outlaw cars? Even with out the combination of alcohol, car accidents kill more people in a month than guns do in a year? How about we only let people tan 30 minutes every week? Bc uv rays kill to dont they? How would that be done for the greater good? Your arguement makes no sense?

I don't care if you tan until you look like a raisin. However, you're not endangering anyone but yourself if you tan. You're not going to give ME skin cancer by tanning. And cigarettes have been outlawed in public places (which, as a former smoker, used to anger me), because that's what hurts the public. And we do limit the number of beers you can buy in a bar, because of the potential danger. And we have made drinking and driving illegal. So, YOU make absolutely no sense.

Should we outlaw cars? No, because responsible ownership of a car poses little danger to the public. However, recklessness does pose danger, so we have controls. I don't believe guns should be outlawed. I come from a family of hunters. However, the kinds of things I'm talking about, certain weapons and certain high-capacity clips, were designed for one thing - to kill as many humans in as short a time as possible. They were made for military use, and that's where they should stay.

A freind who seats on the planning board here once told me that "done for the greater good" is a term that, means we just need to screw you out of something (AND it is usally used to benift a select few,) because they have no other good reason in their arsenal or bag of tricks.

Here's a list of the guns Dianne Feinstein wants banned. Just about every decent gun i can think of is listed. Whats next, BB guns? I also read she wants ammo clips to hold no more then 10 rounds but they might even push for a 7 round limit similar to what NY just passed.

WELCOME TO THE SLIPPERY SLOPE
Dianne Feinstein has been the wicked witch of the anti gun league for years. She goes overboard on everything she touches. The only saving grace is her bill as written is very unlikely to pass.


It just begs the question - where has all the common sense gone.

The best reason for MORE gun control " I don't think you need or should have -----------.

I agree Giancarlo. From a enthusiasts point of veiw,i would be extremely disappointed if this was passed. Lets pray it doesnt.

No criminals will obey that law, or any other gun laws passed. Law abiding people with very right to have gun to defend self will be disarmed, criminals will still have guns. If a criminal is caught after that, it is good, but what about the honest citizen who out of fear buys certain gun on banned list? We will be making them criminals with this law. And it will be only beginning, same politicians who want these guns banned are some one who want all firearms banned.

There shouldn't be gun restrictions by gun type, but restrictions to the people who CAN'T own them. Those are mentally ill people and people with a criminal record.

First of all, before the gun is bought, the person needs to be checked, who is he, why he needs a gun, is he mentally stable, does he know how to handle the gun(not to shoot himself in the foot).

Once that is done, the gun's are needed a safe way to be put in. I don't know how it's in the states really, but in Latvia it's obligatory to have a safe, which is attached to the floor or wall, that no-one can carry away it. The police comes and checks it if it's right.

WHAT DOES IT CHANGE IF YOU GIVE AN IDIOT A PISTOL INSTEAD OF AN AK?! Maybe he'll shoot less people with the pistol, probably he'll have more pistols instead. It doesn't change shit if you keep giving out these guns to idiots.

And restricting those types of guns won't stop from them being on the street. USA is full of criminal organizations that will be willing to get more into the gun business. So, this will not stop criminals getting guns.

Yes, I think that is his point, correct me if I am wrong here. But the point being is we do not take away, limit them or refuse to market these other items because some people misuse them, like drunk drivers is a prime one. Alcohol and cars.

Maybe it is the fear factor with guns? Makes them a easy target.

But drunk drivers kill so many more then any of these gun nuts each year, whole families, with children etc. Of all ages. So we have to look at the real problem....

.... just like todays gun laws, drink and driving laws, they only work if people are willing to abide by them. Just like alcohol and cars, we shouldn't blame the item, we should put the blame on the person who did wrong.
Put reponsibility back where it belongs on the person.

That is all you can ask is fairness.

The problem with "putting responsibility on the person" is that more often than not these mass murderers commit suicide after they have killed innocent people. There is nothing wrong with combining restrictions on gun ownership for the mentally ill, and for people who want military style weapons that are unnecessary for hunting, target practice or defense of the home.

if the responsibly isn't on the person, who should it be on for their own acts? you wouldn't sue someone else in a civil suit for what another person does would you?
Your right well REASONABLE restrictions and many have been in place for some time, even if not followed by some is always the right idea.

The new problem is we have gone from wanting to ban all AUTOMATIC war like weapons to banning everything that is semi automatic or anything that LOOKS like one.

People aren't killed by a pistol grip or a folding stock or a muzzle shield.

Finsteins last list had like 157 guns to be on the kill list. Come on. be real....and in NY we already only get 10 rounds and Gov King made that 7. Next it will be five then 3 then none at all. Slippery slop all the way down the hill.

The real joke is when they say we (NY people) have one year to sell or transfer all large mags out of state. If they are so bad why will they allow them to go to another state rather then NY?

Seems like these new rules will turn many good citizens into law breakers real soon. Because many have said they will not comply. Sucks to be put good people into this spot.

I agree, these guns that she wants banned are all SEMI automatic weapons. You pull the trigger and one shot is fired. They are NOT Full automatic assault weapons, they are the semi auto versions that might look like them, but do not perform like them.

Whats the difference between a semi auto Uzi and a Glock pistol. Both fire a 9mm round and are semi automatic weapons. It's just that the Uzi looks much more sinister but they perform the same. You can actually get a 30 round mag for the Glock just as you can the Uzi. Ok maybe you can get a bayonet for the Uzi and not the Glock but thats about it. You can kill just as many people with that Glock as you can the semi auto Uzi.

An AR15 might look like a M16 but again, it's a SEMI AUTO weapon, same with all the AK clones.

It seems that this is leading to a eventual ban on all semi auto guns and that the powers to be want just bolt action type weapons to be legal, the kind you have to work the bolt with each shot. At least as far as rifles go, but i'm sure they'll get around to semi auto pistols next. Don't kid yourself, i truely believe that is their ultimate goal.

for all of my fellow firearms enthusiasts, this bill has little to no chance of passing, and the gun grabbers really shot themselves in the foot with this one. instead of going for more moderate restrictions which might have had a shot at passing, that witch feinstein just went for broke. the thing you have to realize with this, is that there are plenty of democratic senators in very gun friendly states who have to respect the will of the people in their state. as much as some hate it, the firearms culture is alive and well in this country and will continue to thrive, despite all of this crazy legislation being proposed.

What it did do was raise the price of both legal and illegal guns.

Sportsmans Guide catalog shows a 50-round drum magazine that attaches to a Glock. I'm not kidding.