per gangland he got shelved

crazy

thoughts?

Did Capeci give a reason? I mean this is the Bonnano Family we are talking about. They are very weakened and TG is one of the few remaining guys that was around when Rusty ran things and they were a force to be reckoned with. I have a few theories and believe it may be a result of one or more . . .

(1) Mob Wives and Hector Pagan were an utter embarassment, especially after Donny Brasco. They did not want to go through the humiliation and TG was directly involved in all that nonsense.
(2) He is intimately connected to Massino. There was some chatter that even Vinny Gorgeous should never have been considered the official boss because he was tabbed by Big Joey. Perhaps people view TG in a similar light.
(3) He is not completely competent as he is getting up there in years and almost certainly has lived an unleathy life (look at photos of him and even consider his daugter to be evidence of the Graziano family's physical health).
(4) Someone is consolidating power. I do not believe this to be Vinny TV since he always seemed to me to be something of a caretaker. Perhaps Vincent Asaro? People have always thrown his name about as a potential true successor to Massino. With the Gambino family (a historical ally of the Bonnanos) naming Cefalu as their boss and Cali is their underboss, there is a distinct movement back toward Sicilian control and an understated demeanor. As per Capeci a few years ago: "Asaro, a longtime Queens-based gangster is a certified old-school gangster who speaks Italian fluently and is well-respected by the Zips . . . " I am not sure where Asaro was born, but he is highly regarded by not only the Sicilian factions in his own family, but also by members of the Gambino, Genovese and Lucchese brass.

In sum, I have always viewed the Bonnanos (following Joe Bonnano's death) to be a bunch of extremely violent and/or stupid thugs. Rusty was VERY highly regarded, but he has always scared the shit out of me for some reason. I feel as though Massino, Santora, Rabito and TG are all from the same Rastelli-influenced ilk. I don't know enough about Vinny TV to pass judgment, but Asaro seemingly has far more respect and legitimacy. Maybe this is an attempt to clean house.

Just my 2 cents ...

Good stuff ovation... I think reason (1) weighs heavily. Even they must be like, "enough is enough"...

that show really does make them look like a joke.at least they didnt kill him just to send a message.

TG seems like a real soldier,im sure he's totally embarased of his family..I wouldn't be surprised if he was shelved or they let him retire...I kinda feel bad for this poor prick the feds won't leave him alone and his family is clearly half retarted

If I was the boss of the family I wouldn't care how much heat it brought on I would whack TG just to watch those idiots cry...I'm sorry if that comes on wrong I just hate that show..an just to send a message I'm not sure what that message is but I would fucking kill that fucked

no.no,no, and no. its bull shit. all of it. t.g.s not on the shelf,hes in prison. and he knows whos said this to.this fucking queer isnt even a made guy,trying to pass him self off as a fucking 'foot soldier' to kids forty years younger than him.hes a blabbermouth pussy. the rumor is 't.g.' has been shelved after he was sentenced. you can fucking bet when he gets out he has his stripes. 't.v.' doesnt have the stones to shelve anthony.vinny is only boss because t.g. didnt stand in his way. t.v. has never broke his cherry and never will. he is boss because he wanted it.and no body wanted vinny asaro there. hes a fucking brokster drunk. i will dispell any rumor right now, 'tv' is boss,whether he deserves it or not. t.g. will be a captain when he gets out if he wants to be. hes got to many friends.

shecky, tony r., and tony g. where sonny black guys not rustys.

First off, I did not read the Capeci column which is why I was asking for some color on the rationale and source of this information. Having said that, my comments were mere speculation from an observer.

Second, I was unaware that Asaro was not as highly regarded as some may think. What Gamms says makes sense given the fact that he has never really moved up beyond is present position. It provides a reasonable explanation.

Third, please correct me if I am wrong, but Nepolitano was very much a Rusty guy up until the end. He backed Rusty when times were tough as did his crew. Sonny Black took Rusty's lead and encouraged his soldiers to develop the same mindset Rusty had.

you answer to your skipper.doesnt matter who the boss is.

You just proved my point:

If A (TG, Santora and Rabito) = B (Sonny Black) AND
B (Sonny Black) = C (Rusty) THEN
A (TG, Santora and Rabito) = C (Rusty)

no. that is not how it works.a soldier is loyal to his skipper.if the skipper decides to jump the fence,so does his crew.the crew doesnt answer to the boss. i see what you mean,sonny loved rusty.thats true,but his crew isnt in a position to even know rusty,yet alone decide to be loyal to him or not.

Gotcha - I just meant to say that since Sonny Black was loyal to and loved Rusty for most of his life and his crew was loyal to their skipper, the crew was - by the transient property - loyal to Rusty. You are more than likley right insofar as a soldier never knowing the boss.

I am more interested in what you think about Vinny TV. Do the older guys we have been discussing even find him credible as a boss? And why is he being called the "Acting" boss when there is no other boss out there. Vinny Gorgeous seems to have had his stripes pulled because of the Massino connection so it is as if they are starting anew with Vinny TV at the helm.

Also, where do your feelings about Asaro come from? I have never read anything like that about him.

Finally, what are your opinions on Sal the Ironworker? Had he not been deported and died, he seems like he would have been a viable candidate to take the helm...

agree gamms, think u nailed it

my thoughts for vinny are the same as i say when people question weather john gotti ever got his feet wet.how is a family full of guys who can pull a trigger supposed to follow a guy who cant.my wife is more capable than murder than vinny.i like vinny as a person. we went to the same h.s. he is a year younger than me.he just never was a gangster,his father was a real straifht shooter,as well liked as they come.vinny grew up working in his fathers store on new utrecht.where he later opened 'new utrecht electronics'. i remember when they were selling car phones.lol. he was never a tough kid.forty years ago if you tell me vinny was boss of the family,you would be shipped to the mental trauma wing.lol. i grew up fighting kids with sticks and taking crates out of the liquor truck and throwing parties on the roof the old 'ceasars' catering hall.lol. if a kid like vinny showed up,we would throw him off the roof.lol. i was amazed when i heard he got made.

in all fairness,vinny a is just to old school for the job.a boss doesnt get half in the bag and shoot up a bar in queens.'enough said'.lol

sal should have never been in that position.i am sorry he went the way he did,but he should have known better than to stick his beak in up there.

I believe "Mikey Nose" to be the boss of the Bonnano's, TV is a figure head or caretaker while the nose is in the can... Just my thoughts. TG was responsible for Hector as he was on record with him when he went bad. They used to kill you for that. So he could be shelved. But the again Depalma was shelved and came back too. Just my thoughts

Vinny basciano appointed himself acting boss (then informed massino after the fact) and when he went to jail appointed mancuso as acting and then sal montagna as acting just to be clear. All the secret tapes of Massino and Basciano support this. I have posted them in an old thread.

I have seen and heard that Dap, but what about the attorney for Massino that flipped and made him repeat over and over that Massino wanted him acting boss. I will research. I have seen posts on he appointed himself and Massino appointed him through the attorney

You are also correct on that, the attorney's name was Tommy Lee or something like that. Difference here is that, you cant question tapes and massino's and vinny's voice on them with massino himself alluding to the fact that vinny put himself there and then told massino. A witness (lawyer) can always lie to help their own situation out which we have seen. Tapes are tapes, 9 times out of 10 you can take them over a witness testimony especially if the direct subject which you are looking into is discussed.

mike is not boss.jerry capeci thinks his word is gospel.he is full of hot air. next week they will tell us about the kid from 'canarsie' that went bad. saying 'you heard it here folks'! bull shit.

t.g. is what ever he wants to be.

t.v. is boss because of tony rabito,tony g, tony green,sammy and louie a.

mike is not even a skipper,he will be out when he is a old man.

all im trying to say is..'some people are so far behind in the race they think there winning'. like jerry cspeci.

Yeah, and when Capeci reported that Frank Cali' was the new underboss, nobody besides me and maybe one other person would even entertain the notion that it wasn't true. But what do I know, I'm just a ditzy broad. Capeci is God.

Who's Louie A and Tony G? The others are obvs Rabito, Sammartino, and Anthony Urso

Louie Ha Ha Attanasio

Almost thought you were joking Dap but what do Urso and Attanasio got to do with anything? They're both in jail until 2018

doesnt mean their not influential from the can as you know, look at the persicos as a prime example. Louie HaHa is major money maker and a hitter.

If he isn't, considering the embarrassment that is Mob Wives and Hector Pagan, he should be. Though in his defense about Mob Wives, he didn't want his daughter anywhere near that show.

Full of hot air? Capeci has a very good track record and much more credibility than anyone on the internet. The times he's been wrong and had to retract something have been very rare.

And, for the record, Capeci never said Mancuso is the boss.

He means Mancuso is not even a Captain.

louie is vinnys rabbi.