Yes, your example makes no sense because it's pointless. Just because two people cannot reproduce doesn't mean they are wrong or unnatural. They actually COULD create life. You're missing MY point which is they JUST DON'T CHOOSE TO. Some people don't want children... I guess they're wrong and unnatural and shouldn't be allowed to marry, right? How 'bout no. Gays can't change what they are -- they don't choose to be gay, but they are, it's genetical. They can go out and create life if they wanted to, but they don't. Some even do, just to reproduce. As I said earlier, some handicapped/retarded people cannot reproduce, that doesn't make them "wrong" and it shouldn't mean they aren't allowed to marry. Read LDV's post... It proves your theory about reproduction wrong.

uhh how can you compare handicapped people to gays? anyways im just stating my opinion on the matter, dont get your pants all up in a bunch. I hope i havent offended you, cuz now i understand your situation. you could have atleast said something. I didn't think their would be any gay people on the board. GAYNESS IS WRONG AND ABSURD, IF THEY WANNA BE GAY THEY SHOULD MOVE TO THE MOON AND THEY MARRY EACH OTHER ALL THEY WANT. SEE HOW LONG THEIR CIVILIZATION WILL LAST

um...yes

you dont get the point, GOD MADE MAN AND WOMAN. GOD MADE THE MAN HAVE A PENIS. GOD MADE THE WOMAN A VAGINA. GOD INTENDED THE PENIS TO GO INTO THE VAGINA. GOD DID NOT MAKE THE PENIS GO INTO THE PENIS. GOD DID NOT MAKE THE VAGINA GO INTO THE VAGINA. DO YOU SEE THE POINT? THEY WERE NOT MADE TO INTERACT TO THE SAME SEX. by the way i dont care about ur personal life, im stating my opinion, either like or not,i dont care. and a vesectomy isnt a natural thing either so the dosent fit into the equation.

Are you calling me gay? I thought I was out of second grade.

your thoughts are yours, not mine, so i wouldnt know

Grow up. This isn't second grade; calling people "gay" when they disagree with you is so 1993.

well when i posted my opinion you got so defensive about it, what am i supposed to think? your telling me posting my opinion is wrong, when your here trying to say **** marrying is not wrong??? WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TO!!!!! by the way i think you should grow up. "is so 1993" statement of the year! thats mature.

"WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO THINK?" That's the most naive excuse I've ever heard in my entire life. And why did I get defensive? Because people like you, who are extremely ignorant, are prejudice of people because of something they can't help -- but you're so blind you can't even begin to realize it. Gays are people, too, and I have alot of gay friends. For people like you to try to strip them of their rights because they aren't more like you is pathetic. Does that make me gay? No. But what if I was? You'd probably go on a tantrum telling me how I shouldn't have the same rights as you because my preferences differ.

By the way, the consistent laughing faces are annoying -- and they don't make you look any smarter.

And how is telling you a stupid statement you made was popular ten years ago and that it's old not mature? Riiight.

HAHA!! nice come back, a 10 year old could do better than that. Well if your so Pro-gay make a sign, grab some of your gay buddies and march down your street, i seriously dont give a shit. i stated my opinion once and then you who is being the ignorant one is sayin MY opinion is wrong and go about insulting me. unlike you i got better things to do then argue over the internet about shit that you cant do nothin about. have a nice night

Out of you two, Cheeks is the only one who actually made a point.

what´s the big problem with have and open mind, it´s not a sin to accept people as it and that´s not make u gay or whatever , only mature.

out of me and him, I DONT REMEMBER FUCKIN TALKIN TO YOU!

Wow, do you think using "fuck" to modify words in 90% of your posts makes you look smart or cool. Grow up. You were tolerable and now you are acting like a brat. Grow up and read the posting rights, you have no copyright to a thread.

Nice "come back?" I didn't realize I was making a "come back." I was getting my point across. Ten year olds are the ones who make "comes backs" because that's a term used for retaliating in an insult/cracking battle. Last time I checked, I wasn't the one making pointless insults because your opinion was disagreed upon.

If you haven't noticed yet, this thread is a DEBATE thread. What do you do in debates? You...debate; you argue. You're the one getting all defensive because I called you on your belief. If you don't wanna get caught up in an argument, don't post in a thread when we're all...arguing/debating. If you choose to post here, then take the chances of getting into a debate.

Don Pope better calm the hell down. This thread was a mature discussion, with mature people, who could actually put together some well-thought-out opinions (on both sides of the issue) w/o the use of childish language and 4-letter words. Stop it. Now.

I suggest people ignore such posts.

The population of New Paltz is like 90% college kids. The college is literally the center of the town. But that is what makes it such a great town. There is so much fun shit to do there. Personally, i think this mayor is only doing this for his 15 minutes of fame.

Yeah, and usually those rapists and pedophiles are old fucked up motherfuckers getting little boys of their same sex and fucking them in the ass. Doctors do it a lot. So they are gay. They all should be ELIMINATED.

Yeah, and usually those rapists and pedophiles are old fucked up motherfuckers getting little boys of their same sex and fucking them in the ass. Doctors do it a lot. They all should be ELIMINATED.

I am more than perfectly willing to sacrifice morality in the name of freedom of speech. 'Cause once we start compromising that, we're in deep trouble. Morality is something that can't be legislated. Everyone had their own ideas about what is "moral" and what isn't, and I don't want the government deciding for me by way of constitutional ammendments, or any other laws for that matter. As long as one's actions don't interfere with me or anyone else, why should I care what people do?

I think I said in another post in this thread, something like:

First, let's ban same-sex marriage; it's immoral.
Then, let's ban same-sex sexual relations, since that must also be immoral.
Next, we can ban sex outside of marriage, since many consider that immoral as well.
And also, let's ban all types of sexual relations that some of our more extreme moralists are against, i.e. anal sex, oral sex, etc.
And, now that I think about, while we're at it let's ban the performance of the sexual act in anything but the missionary position.

And I guess we'll need "sex police" to arrest the offenders.

Yeah, I know, it sounds ridiculous. But remember the slippery slope. If the religious right ran the country, we'd be on our way to the above.


Let's do a constitutional ammendment banning adultery. Then we can put half the adult population of the United States in jail

I'm no expert, of course, but I don't believe that gay men attempt to have sex by having one man try to insert his penis into another man's penis. Nor do I believe that there are any females out there attempting mutual vagina insertion.

That said, may we assume that since you believe the penis, when in use as a sexual organ, is meant only to be inserted in a vagina, (and not a hand) that you have never masturbated?

Plaw, I'm convinced people are so rigidly convinced that their opinion is "right" that they cannot even read or understand posts that contain reason and logic, let alone address them.

Ahh well.

Well, when we're at the bottom of the slippery slope, I'm gonna apply for a job with the Sex Police. At least I'll get to watch all the things I'm no longer allowed to do.

You're right and Don Pope also negates oral sex

The point i was trying to make is that if a man and a man were ment to mingle they would have some sort of reproductive organ and be able to give birth, fortunately for me i dont need to use my hand all the time

But there needs to be a base point for what is moral to be established.

Some may find it morally acceptable to marry more than one individual or a minor. I think there are laws prohibiting both. The laws against having more than one spouse and marrying a minor are based on what is moral. Like it or not most laws of the land are based on morality.

im talking about nature as its intended, im not talkin about all the other ways to pleasure one, yes thats true theres oral sex and using your hand but Naturally god intended for the penis to insert the vagina. No one atleast gets it one bit?? seriously?

What do you use instead?. I've heard of sofa stories.

shutup turi, you know what i mean. and it has nothing to do with Self-pleasuring.

Maybe "God" intended some guys to be attracted to guys. The fact is, we have gay people in this world. What is the problem. It is not unnatural, it happens with all species of animals. Unnatral happenings are things like the Chernobyl disaster etc.

the funny thing is i dont even care that much if its banned or not, i stated my opinion a page or so away just for the hell of it, then that lombardi character got annoying so i got all into it.