Well, I have to admit, that skeet shooting picture of Obama was ridiculous. He's not fooling his critics by pandering to them with crap like that. This has been one of my issues with him: His lack of backbone at certain times. For once in his life can't he just say, This is who I am. Now deal with it?

I mean, who did he convert with this silly photo-op? He's not changing his position and everyone knows it.

Shameless pandering by politicians sickens me (and it should sicken anyone, no matter what side of the fence they're on).

well, i guess you're not a "real" democrat then

Et tu, FF?

i thought i would go through the the gun control measures outlined by the democrats in ny and give my opinion on them...



1. Confiscation of "assault weapons"
i thought they weren't "coming for the guns"?

2. Confiscation of ten round clips
see above.

3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
please, someone answer how this will "prevent" anything bad from happening? it serves no other purpose than to make the logistics of confiscation easier as soon as a more progressive(restrictive) gun control law is passed.

4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder's information to be released to the public
anyone in favor of this should just pack their shit and get the fuck out of the country.

5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as "assault weapons”
i thought ten rounds was the cutoff for an "assault weapon" and again, what the hell does a pistol grip have to do with anything?

6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
so 10 wasn't good enough, better make it 5, how long until 3,2,1 or nothing? as for the magazines, for people who don't know, i can't even think of any semi-auto handgun that holds less than 6 rounds, and i'm pretty knowledgeable about guns. does that mean confiscation of anything which can hold more than 5? if thats the case, this provision is nothing short of a backdoor ban on all semi-automatic handguns.

7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
again, way to punish and restrict law abiding citizens. if anybody thinks that criminals will abide by this, then i suggest you go over to england, make an appointment with a psychologist, wait the 3 months that it will take under that dreamy state run healthcare system they have over there, and get your head examined.

8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
more pointless red tape that again, does nothing but punish the law abiding. notice a theme here?

9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
so why should people who have already waded chest high through a trench of buerocratic shit be forced to do it again? how does this make us "safer"?

10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
same as above.

11. State issued pistol permits
yeah, lets put more on the plate of a state that can't manage what it already has. kinda like a 6 year old on halloween who has a stomach ache from eating too much candy the night before, but eats even more the next day somehow hoping for a different result.

12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
sounds good on the surface, but seeing as how guns already have serial numbers and its a felony to deface them, how does this help prevent crime?

13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
i'm assuming this is referring just to ammo sales seeing as how gun dealers are already under strict regulation. if it could be done in an efficient way free from all the bureaucracy, i would have no problem with this, but seeing as how thats hardly ever the case, seems like nothing more than more government regulation, pass.

14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
i'm far from opposed to storing firearms in a safe manner, but that all comes down to the individual and their personal circumstances. if my gun is "required" to be locked up at all times, what happens if i need it for protection, the whole point of the 2nd amendment? i know they have some of those small keycard activated quick access lockboxes for handguns, but what do i do if all i have is a shotgun? i guess just hope for the best in the event that something goes wrong. i guess when the politicians talk about "keeping us safer", they are referring to the crooks, thanks!

15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons
what can i say, of course there would have to be a way to generate money out of the whole thing, this is america after all

This is what a free society is all about.

I think i will just say some one stole my guns.

no, no, no. you lost them in a canoeing accident!

From what I have been reading on many of the gun blogs is that this is what all the meeting that the state has put on have been like.

Many more show up then the room they have for the meeting, and as you can tell many are older mature men who want to know the rules, and they want to know why! AND most if not all are very unhappy!

Typical State people, read the laws but don't help you understand or confirm what, why or how things will work.

This is what you get when you are back doored in the middle of the night without any kind of imput by liars who hold office.

It is almost as bad as bid rigging by making almost nothing else fit, by the way things are writen.

The big lies: the check in in the mail!
, I will pull out before...., and they aren't coming for your guns.

Funny I lived in NYC all my life except the three yrs where I lived in Germany and Argentina waiting fo the witnesses against me to turn up death. I never had a problem getting guns in all that time.

An interesting mix. Politicians and John Q Public. The total IQ in that room may have reached 1,000.

Talk about a pot shot!

Mrs. Obama has a nice set of guns.

Boobs, too.

Not to get off topic but:

1) That is no way to talk about her Secret Service Agents.

2) I didn't see them listed on the Weapons Ban list.

3) You can't always make a mt. over a molehill

4) They aren't real, they look bigger because of her bullet proof vest.

5) You can bet someone else paid for them before obama care kicked in.

6) No wonder Barry always has a smile on his face.

7) They came from Chicago, so you know she is packing.

8) You think those are 44's S & W.

9) What good are they if you can't find ammo to use them.

10) Ask Bill Clinton if they are better then Hillary's.

The hub went to buy some clips today. A 30 round clip that was $14 is now $50 so he passed on that.

were they the p-mags for the ar? if so, i've seen them going for more than that, and most people can't even find them.

Idk about p-mags or not but yes for the AR.

The prices on large capacity mags has tripled in the last month and thats even if you can find them. Alot of places are completely sold out.

I know one thing, all this talk about banning so called "assault weapons" is driving the prices up through the roof. Before the last ban back in the 1990's i picked up a couple Polytech Legend Underfolders for $1,500 (for the pair). On Gun Broker a couple of them have sold within the last couple weeks for $4,000 a piece!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327112668

The ones i have are practically brand new in the original box, i shot one of them a few times and then put both of them away. At these crazy prices i think it might be time to cash out my chips and make some cash.

Cha Ching!! Thank you Mr Obama!

I've had my eye on a sweet S&W 500 so maybe i'll sell one and use part of the profit to pick it up.



It's a real cannon, shoots 500 S&W Magnum rounds. Probably take down a helicopter with that thing.

Check it out, on the left is the infamous Dirty Harry 44 magnum round and on the right is the 500 S&W Magnum.

i shot the 500 mag before, and depending on the rounds used, its not as bad as you would think. with that said, i forgot exactly what loads i shot, but my buddies father said they were on the milder side so take that for what its worth. they are without a doubt pretty cool, but they are more of a novelty. they are however, very popular in alaska for grizzly bear defense! the short-barreled version is said to be much more brutal, a real wrist breaker

For a revolver they're heavy as hell too. Definitely not going to carry that thing around. Also a pretty large frame, not for someone with smaller hands.

Pretty much a novelty as you said. Something to take out in the woods or to the range every once in awhile. I haven't priced the 500 S&W Magnum rounds yet but i have a feeling they're going to be pretty expensive.

yeah, as soon as i picked it up its almost a shock to the system. you could just as easily use the thing as a club in a pinch! i held it one handed with my arm outstretched, and i couldn't keep it like that for long! here is hickok45, who is a wealth of knowledge for anyone interested in learning about firearms, demonstrating one of the many practical uses for that beast

Many times as a kid i would of loved to have done that to our mower!

Here's a guy using a full auto AK on his.

I like some of the photoshopped photo's using that Obama skeet shooting picture.

Here's a few, i like the one he's blasting from a car on Grand Theft Auto.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conserv...ia-2572992.html

on sale right now for the low price of $19.95
http://www.herobuilders.com/barack_obama-action_figures.htm

This guy makes gun owners look like redneck fools.
He should lose the right to that handgun for this stunt, then posting it on there.

i disagree, shooting stuff under controlled circumstances is alot of fun! FS, check out the channel if you are interested, its one of the most popular firearms channels on youtube. this guy is about as smart and responsible as you can get, and he without a doubt portrays the shooting community in the best light possible. this is just one of his rare "goofy" videos that showcases his very dry sense of humor!