Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Skinny
Ivy- i agree... Even tho i was responding to azguy but you get the point lol. Id say if laying off with a connected Book makes you connected in LE terms.. Sure i guess so. But a book the size of Sacos doesnt need to layoff... Its all profit in the end.. The only time most bookies who are worth their salt ever lay a bet is... Perfect example... Right now. If Saccos book lays off any bets (which i doubt) hes doing it right now... Calling in markers in vegas....not nyc. Lets be honest, would you trust a wiseguy to give you a quarter million in cash when 49ers beat that 3.5 point spread??? Which, btw is probably closer to 5+ in LA right now.


Well, for one thing, I'm not sure how active Sacco is anymore. The last bit of news I read about him was from 20 years ago. This was before the internet and before the offshore sites in Costa Rica and elsewhere became the big thing.

Especially back then, bets were largely geographical. Bookies in a given area are usually going to have more action on the local teams and have to lay off with a bookie elsewhere to balance thing out. I can see mob bookies laying off with Sacco back in the day but I can also see it going the other way. It doesn't matter how big an operation is. If they have too much action one way, they'll lose money.

As for your question, any bookie (including a mob bookie) worth their salt is going to pay out to a winner, whether it's $2,500 or $250,000. That is, if they plan on being in business for long. Stiffing a winner would kill their rep. But all this is hypothetical because, as you know, the whole point is to balance the bets. As long as they're balanced, the bookie is paying the $250,000 to the winner with the money lost by the losers. It's not coming out of his pocket.


This is where id rather pm you....

As re laying off, if youve ever taken action or even looked at balance sheet for a sportsbook... Then you will understand it better. I understand the math of it, in fact probably a lot better than you, no offense, just ive been around it... The one *human* aspect of a sportsbook, is the realization that some how, all gamblers lose. You think it would be an easy 50-50 but even with really sharp guys who win more than they lose (which are rare), a book will always come out ahead... Laying off, is just losing uneccesary money. Usually the win to loss ration of bets comes to 45:55... Thats also before juice. If your action is completely even... Which it never is... The most your making is juice off one side. (.091919*Losses (.5 of total wagers)) equals .046 rounded... The former way of doing things (not laying off) is preferable... Also you need to factor in agent commisions, which ur leaving out. At most agents get 75% and least 10%. Average low level guys is a quarter sheet... So 25%... Of NET losses. On their package, not the book. Say your agent take 6gs on the under and 4 on the over... We'll do both scenarios... If you lay off, your action is an even 5:5 thousand correct? Considering no one lays off with you... Your profit is juice.. (.0919x5000)=450 dollars (rounded). And considering ur odds given is even... Say the under wins. You pay your agents nothing bc their Net Balance is -2000... And you pocket $450.. Best case scenario... Also assuming losers pay up. Now say the over wins (the line has never changed)... You pay out perfectly... To the bettors AND you get to keep 450 bucks... But one problem, ur agents have a Net Balance of +2000 (in black)... They are owed 25% of their balance...$500 bucks. Putting the book in the red at -50$..... Just food for thought:)....

Idk if u were talking to me about the IT comment but, yeah tech guys are good for ur biz.. If ur interested in that kindof thing... VPN tunnels, proxy browsers, monitering ur http traffic.... Shoot me a pm and i can go into more detail.