I love Sean Penn's Bush Bashing...

"If There Is One Thing we know, besdies there are no WMD's..."

Hey, ragingbull2003...GET A LIFE!!

Just checked this thread out from the beginning and saw your 'countdown'. Regardless of the movie...I can't believe somebody would bother to sit and pound into the keyboard for every category in which the award is won.

Takes all kinds!



Apple

Apparently, these were the first awards this movie has won....since 2002!

I think the fact that PETER JACKSON, who went from directing cheap and meaningless action (bad horror comedies, too I think) films to directing big budget and still meaningless action films, won the award shows that it's worthless.

(And I actually like the movies, too!)

Thug

1995 wasnt as bad as this year.

Apollo 13 is one of my favorite films and I justify its nomination but they got it right...

They Really haven't gotten right latley and they have just fucked up for the last time!

Another Example! 2001: a space odyssey loosing in 1968!

Kramer V.S Kramer winning Over Apocalypse Now in 1979!

Al Pacino loosing in 1974 for The Godfather Part II

Billy Crystal is my favorite host. I loved how they had the spoof to Michael
moore in LOTR. "This is a fictatious war!"

Mike, what about Martin Scorsese lossing in 1980, 1991, and 2003? How about Russell Crowe (A Beautiful Mind), lossing to Denzel Washington (Training Day)?

Irishman12:

I don't begrudge a fan for being happy their movie is winning multiple awards, whether I agree or not.

But this business of, 'Art Direction - that's ONE'...Costume Design - that's TWO', etc....is just a bit over the top. Yeesh!

Some people are WAY to attached to these internet boards...!!

Apple

Definately and I'm one of those who are attached. I like coming here & voicing my opinion, and listening to others but yeah it kinda got old after awhile. LOTR can win all the music/costume/design awards they want. I just didn't want it to win the big 2.

At the End Were Jack Gives him the SunGlasses!

And Guess who's doing the sunglasses thing also... MICHAEL DOUGLAS!

And Irishman, 1981, and 1991 was a massive rapping to Mr. Scorsace but 2002 and his nod for "Gangs..." was just pointless and done for his worst film!

I wouldn't consider it his worst film, I liked it. It wasn't as good as Raging Bull or Goodfellas, but it's definately not his worst. He still should have gotten best director since Peter Jackson "got it for working on LOTR for 7 years." Marty worked on this movie for over 30!

I am not one of those people at all Apple.

Yes I got a little carried away last night, but I am not sorry. I cant explain the way I took to these three films. It puzzles me why I liked them so much. But Lotr winning big last night marked the true end of the trilogy, and Im hoping it marked the end of my obsession as well. I think thats why I was so excited.

ragingbull12003:

Ok, I'll give you that. Glad you had your fun.

To be honest, I was actually quite happy for Peter Jackson & company last night, though I have absolutely NO interest in LOTR and never will.

I feel the awards were given more for the trilogy itself, the entire body of work...rather than this one film. It's not my kind of movie but the work involved is obvious and it was nice to see everyone get rewarded for their efforts. They all deserved it.

I only wish Jackson had paid just a TEENSY but more attention to his appearance.

Apple

I will agree with what you say about the awards being for the trilogy and not just ROTK. It really does seem like thats what happened, and you could argue that its not right. But at the same time; it was a giant masterpiece, and it deserves its place in history.

There was a quote from a guy on PTI (Pardon the Interuption) which is on ESPN. Anyway they were talking about LOTR and one of the guys said "If that movie was ever played as an in-flight movie, I'd parachute off the plane!" I thought that was so great!

Don't think I'll ever watch the Oscars again. I thought movies' power were generated by dynamic acting between actors/actresses... Not an "actor" talking to a computer image.

Sean Penn won, and I'm happy for that. When he got a standing ovation, it was incredibly. Well, well, well deserved. Cheers to Sean Penn.

1st of all congrats to all the winners, some really deserved it. sean penn was gorgeous and bill murray was kind of jealous as they said "the oscar goes to sean penn" but oh well he will get over it . also charlize theron was brillant at the oscars, she deserved this oscar, she showed how much skills she got, in this movie. respect to lord of the rings, though i dont really like the movie.

That's why none of the actors in LOTR were nominated: thought you would have known that.

Anthony, I know LOTR isn't your kind of thing, and perhaps you thought another film should have won it, but you really can't pregrudge it of its credibility. It would have been a bit ambitious to try and BUILD the whole WORLD for the film, that's why it uses a lot of CGI. The film is also based on a fantasy novel, and that's why there is a lot of non-human creatures--I don't think the CGI characters were that bad; if anything they're revolutionary in their advancement. You don't like the film and that's fine, but you can't say it is a bad film (not saying you are, but just be clear on that point ).

Even if you (and this goes to ANYBODY ELSE WHO BASHES LOTR THE WAY IRISHMAN AND ANTHONY DO) personally think that another film should have won, you cannot say that LOTR did not deserve it--it's a massive project that brought the world of the book fantastically to life, with excellent cinematography and vision, a perfect score, brilliant production design. The acting wasn't great as it' a fantasy film and therefore does not need it as much as a realistic drama, and the Oscars called the right shots in that department too.

Can't you see the point I'm trying to make? Or am I simply talking to myself?

Mick

The point you're trying to make is the point everyone's been trying to shove in us anti-LOTRs heads. And it's not really working -- sorry, bro. We don't like the movies, they are not even good in our eyes. They are greatly over-rated and in no way possible deserved a sweep. Everyone comes down on me and Irishman because we speak out about not liking LOTR [I, myself, don't even DO it that much, only in a couple threads] and it's not really fair. People who like it can exclaim they like it... But people who don't can't? I thought the boards were about sharing your opinion with other people, even if you disagree. That's part of what makes the boards great. There's alot of opposition and difference and it sparks interest and debate. If me and Irishman dislike them, let us say we do. If we can't do that, then people who like them shouldn't be allowed to say they do; people who like any film shouldn't be allowed to say anything about liking or disliking a film.

Do you see my point?

As for the acting category -- that's why it wasn't nominated for acting, great. But if a movie has no great acting -- one of the MOST IMPORTANT ingrediants of a film -- then it does not deserve all the praise it gets. Hell, it's not even just the acting... Everything is created with CGI, from the battle scenes to the creatures to effects. And I don't wanna here this bullshit about "well, it was based off a book and it's fantasy and it's hard." Tell that bullshit to the tourists. Look at Martin Scorsese in Gangs Of New York. Building a whole goddamn town from hundreds of year ago without any CGI. THAT'S talent, that's awesome. Not using computers to do so. Tim Burton's remake of Planet Of The Apes [even though I didn't particularly enjoy the remake], I'm not sure if there was CGI... But there definately were "unhuman creatures" that didn't use computers to generate them. All make-up, and a helluva job at it.

That's my point. They were based off movies, good. There's huge battle scenes, great. Acting isn't a huge role in it, fine. But there were ways that they didn't have to use CGI as much as it was, and computer shouldn't win over pure hard work and acting that generated a whole movie like it was in the other categories at the Oscars. Point blank, they didn't deserve what they got. I won't admit they're good 'cause I don't think they are and I won't admit they deserve it 'cause they don't, in my eyes.

Thank you Anthony. Everytime here & at work I try to express my hate for LOTR and it's like I'm being anti-semedic or something! It's just a movie & you know what, I HATE IT! There, I said it. The movie is so overrated & if I never hear the words, LOTR or Peter Jackson again, it will be too soon! We all have our opinions but when someone doesn't like the "holy" LOTR, then there's something wrong with us or our opinions are wrong. You should learn to except that not EVERYONE loves that piece of crap!

But alot of people here like it and even though it's your OPINION, you should really explain WHY you hate it, and even more so why it seems to bug you that everyone's talking about it.

Then why do you mention them? And why do you insist on contributing to a thread where several express their happiness at its unprecedented success at the 2004 Academy Awards?

Well, what (in your opinion) makes it a 'piece of crap'? And why do you have an obvious problem with people liking it, even though as you say...everyone's entitled to their own opinions?

No answers needed...just asking.



AppleOnYa

Here's a thought Apple, I'll give you a spoon so you can eat my ass! (American Pie 2). But seriously, why are you always on my back? You don't like the movie but yet you defend it as if I were talking about a person. To answer some of your questions, here we go:

I hate it because it's just a long movie that is boring and isn't that good & everyone pumps it up as if it were Forrest Gump, Schiendler's List, or Gladiator (which it is not). I hate it first of all b/c everyone talks about it (it's getting annoying), and I also hate it because it's just too long, boring, and the story sucks. At first I wasn't too into it, but with this board & especially with hearing about it at work (Blockbuster), how can I love the movie when it's shoved down my throat 24/7? I don't like things forced upon me & this is definately one of them!

I mention them b/c everyone else here seems to voice their opinion on why they love it and I'm just voicing my opinion about why I don't like it. Whether I voice my opinion or not, the subject will still come up so I might as well chime in with my 2 cents.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and I don't care about people liking it, I'm just tired of hearing about it & I personally feel it's overrated (not saying I have a problem with people liking it b/c that is TOTALLY hypocritical!). What makes it a piece of crap is the story, the acting, the hype, overexposure, and the unmeasureable amount of hypocrisy that occured at the Oscars on Sunday (not that it was really LOTRs' fault, but rather the Academy's.)

Actually, I never really said I didn't like it, and am not defending it...but that I didn't care about it it's not my kind of movie. However unlike some, I can handle fans of it being happy that it won multiple Oscars.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Irishman12:
...I hate it because it's just a long movie that is boring and isn't that good & everyone pumps it up as if it were Forrest Gump, Schiendler's List, or Gladiator (which it is not). [/QUOTE]

So what if those who like it pump it up? I can recall a particular fan of Scarface pumping that up, even though it wasn't as well-made a movie as others which starred the same guy. And I recall that same Scarface fan demanding reasons WHY people hated movies that they liked. (American Beauty?)

So you hate a movie because too many people talk about it? Especially after it has won just about every major film award this past season? I think what you're really saying is that people shouldn't talk about it because they should agree with you that it sucks. And the more they talk about it, the more it sucks. Even though, of course...eveyone's entitled to have their own opinion.

Well, gee...if you work at a movie rental store then you ought to be able to handle hype/popularity about ANY film, not just the ones you happen to like. And as for this board...there are plenty of other forums for you to divert your attention to, if you get sick of a particular subject.

So you don't like it because it's long and boring and the story is stupid...and you REALLY don't like it because nobody seems to agree with you on why you don't like it. So sure...why not keep talking about it, sounds good to me

In other words, you are mad because you didn't like it and it won lots of awards anyway and you wish people would stop talking about it, even the ones who do like it because even though everybody's entitled to their opinion, nobody should like a movie that you don't like and are sick of hearing about.

Well said, Irishman12 !!

And as for why I'm always on your back...well, you mentioned the other day that you can have it both ways.

So I'm giving it to you both ways. Can't you handle it?

Eagerly awaiting your next .02 cents...you're obviously well stocked on pennies.



AppleOnYa

Sure I pumped up Scarface, but I haven't been shoving it down everyone's throat 24/7 like LOTR is to me. Aren't I entitled to my own opinion? Also, the reason I was pumping up Scarface is b/c I was told by a certain someone that my opinion was wrong, since it is an opinion, I guess I can be wrong with an opinion? Finally, you should go back to the thread where I "demanded" reasons why people hated movies I liked (i.e. American Beauty). If you remember correctly I said I was curious as to why they didn't like the movie. I never "demanded" a reason for it. Stop putting words in my mouth! Also, you are right that I'm pissed that LOTR won so many Oscars. I think you're problem is that you expect everyone to be like you (being able to keep quite & "professional" about other people voicing how much they LOVE LOTR). Well Apple, if you haven't figured it out already, everyone in life isn't going to be just like you. We don't have your "winning personality!"

PS-You don't seem to be short on pennies either!

But Scarface didn't just sweep the Oscars less than 48 hours ago.

Nope, nobody here EVER told you your opinion was 'wrong'.

Sorry, my mistake. However, I am curious as to why you were curious as to why people didn't like a movie that you liked. Were you challenging their opinion?

Don't be absurd, lots of people on this board have a 'winning personality'! You're just not one of them...it's a positive step though, to recognize one's shortcomings!

You got THAT right...and I never will be, as long as I have the likes of you to provide endless amusement!

Take care, Irishman12!!

Apple

Oh no? Where am I pulling this from then, the sky? People did tell me I was wrong..in fact I believe it was you.

No I was not challenging their opinion, I just never heard anyone say they didn't like American Beauty & I wanted someone else's point of view. I was just curious what they didn't like (i.e. the cast, the directing, music, etc).

Here's the whole problem. You seem to love to point me out & try to make me the bad guy, which I guess is fine is that's what you want. If you wanna feel better about yourself by tearing others (such as myself) down, then go ahead. It's pretty sad when you think about it. I have never done anything to start an agrument with you, but you persist to point your finger at me and tell me I'm always wrong. Why am I always wrong, yet you're always right? Hypocritical!?

Not at all. I just find your statements interesting, and want to have a conversation. Of course, if you see that as 'pointing you out' and making you the 'bad guy', then I guess that's your problem.

Again, ashame you see it as 'tearing you down'; but apparently you can't handle a little argument. But there, there...you are still very young (about 20 right?) and will most likely develop a thicker skin as the years go by.

No, that's true.

On the contrary, I've NEVER said you were wrong about anything, and never said I was right. Again, that's how you're percieving it, because your back is up against the wall, you've used up all your childish, petty arguments against LOTR and everything else, your 'POLL' in another thread has backfired...and you now have nowhere to turn but to feel and act like a victim .

It's clear you've craved the attention you've gotten today. Glad I could be of assistance. It's been fun, but I'm soon headed for home.

*FLASH* -- Your LOTR rant is swiftly becoming old news. Find yourself a new obsession and I'm sure you'll continue to be the 'man of the hour' on the 'ol Gangster BB Board!

Best,
AppleOnYa

Have a safe trip home, and I'm glad the LOTR "rant is becoming old news." Then maybe people will stop talking about it & we can all move on with our lives!

PS-You never answered my question. Why do you like to have such "fun arguments" with just me??

Don't give yourself dilusions of grandeur! Check a few past threads and you'll see that you are nothing special.

Apple

Aw, now I can't sleep tonight with a smile on my face