Just for the record...I don't think calling Obama those type of names makes your point any better. In fact it discounts any real value it may have.

Reason with facts not name calling. Leave the name calling to people who have little or nothing worth saying.

and just so you don't think I didn't read your post: there are many people who say that is what Obama likes to do to keep popular. Give away more money to keep the masses from seeing that he hasn't taken care of the economy.

He sucks cock to keep popular?

Well, good enough for the Kardashians....

Heck if I care if some swing that way., what Barry or anyone else puts in their mouths is their problem.

But are you talking the Gay marriage issue or have you mixed up which weapons we are talking about?

I find what comes OUT of the average politician's mouth much more disturbing than what they put in them.

Who was that Congressman WEINER? and his naked pictures....

Speaking of the former Congressman:

I subscribe to a couple of French magazines to keep up with what little I have left of the French language. When the Dominique Strauss Kahn scandal broke, L'Express devoted an entire issue to "What Do the Americans Think of US?" Of course the French don't give a rat's ass about what the Americans think of them, so they centered on what they think of Americans. The lead article began, "Certainly the Americans have nothing to teach us about morality in public life." They then went through a long litany of misbehaving US politicians, ending up with Weiner, who, they wrote, "was sending over the Internet photographs of sa viritite triomphant." Isn't that a hell of a lot more elegant than "hardon"? Gotta love the French language.

The old OSCAR MEYER himself!

Lets hear it for the President

I have to agree with you Mr President, everyone deserves a Vote. Even here in New York, where we didn't even get a chance to voice an opinion.
We sure of HELL would have liked a vote before being taken to the cleaners. But you keep using smoke and mirror to get your way. Sooner or later you may get the point what is real and what is bull on this issue. The places you mention have the some of the tuffest gun laws around, and it didn't stop anything.
Remeber that poor little girl from Chicago, yYour home area. There is a NO GUN policy there. Did it save her?
Only good people follow the rules, get that only the good people follow and are hurt by these calls for new rules.


People have cut the mental health field to the bone and now you see what happens....

But most people want to see the beef, Yes,
JOBS so we can aford to pay for all this new crap you want to spend money on.
Keep telling us that the rich will pay...pass the check to them. How dumb do you think the people are?

Middle Class does need a chance, a chance from leadership like this!

NY Gov say NO NEW TAXES...Yes, just fees and more fees and higher fees, but no new taxes...Doesn't mean dick what you call if it comes out of our pockets, we are paying more!


Tell the truth- the state of the union is poor for most Americans and you don't know crap about fixing it but blaming the so called other side for not giving you what you want.

???
I tend to be against bans but the people in NY state and NYC did get a vote. They voted for Cuomo and Bloomberg despite both politicians' stances on gun rights and in Bloomberg's case generalized hostility for the 4th Amendment. The new law (seven round max) in NY shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone. Neither should Bloomberg's aggressive stances against the gun rights crowd or illegal guns. The people spoke and got what they wanted/deserved. NYC and state have always had restrictive gun legislation. If enough people were really bothered by it they would change the law, as we did in Michigan. Apparently that's not the case.

I am from NYC bloomberg is a man of many faces. What ever gets him into office that is what he is. Now it doesn't matter even he figured out he can't be elected again. In his first election public advocate green was nominated as the democrats. Bloomer is a democrates but ran as a republican. He got guiliani backing only because Giuliani hated green.

Then bloomberg bought the election.

Gov cuomo they started to talk about how great he was as a governor a week after he got elected. He did not do anything to warrant that praise except be a democrat. Maybe one other thing having a hot girlfriend.

Now let's get to Weiner. He got in because his mother is big in ny public school system. He was a speaker at some of my kids school graduations. He did not even have a law degree. Shummer got him in as a congressmen.

Then he goes before congress and he acts like he is a tough guy. He is a mamas boy in real life who likes to take pictures of himself and send them to people. He did it right after and before he gets married disrespecting his wife.

I confronted him one day just for kicks. He was in a big van not too far from where I live. Van was full of voters I talked down to him and then said I thought you were a tough guy your a mamas boy. That was a fun day at least for me.

Oh almost forgot did you read the dead cop that shot all those innocent people what he wrote. He agreed with Obama, cuomo and Bloomberg on gun control . He endorsed their ideas on gun control. Have you heard or read anything about what he wrote?

translation: we need to move fast, as we only have a limited amount of time to exploit the current tragedy to push forth our agenda. we can't ever let a good tragedy go to waste, and its a shame that chris dorner was a black democrat who supported gun control, as opposed to a white, pro gun republican, as we could have really used that to our advantage. don't worry though, as i have told sarah brady, we have so many different tricks up our sleeve that will make "fast and furious" look tame by comparison.

I read his manifesto last friday on CNN and heard parts of it read on the Mark Levin show last Thursday.

How can anyones manifesto be taken seriously after it starts talking about what an "awesome" guy Charlie Sheen is? He lost me right after i read that.

He's right, we do. And the vast majority of economists agree as well. As a student of economics, I was bummed that the stimulus wasnt bigger. But thats another story.

Sorry to get off topic. Havent really commented in the GBB political threads in a long time.

Buxton, ME --(Ammoland.com)- Based on the recent legislation in New York, we are prohibited from selling rifles and receivers to residents of New York. We have chosen to extend that prohibition to all governmental agencies associated with or located within New York. As a result we have halted sales of rifles, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers to New York governmental agencies. For “civilian” customers residing in New York: At your choice, we will: •Complete your order and ship to a dealer of your choice outside of NY. •Refund your payment in full. •Hold your items...

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/york...#axzz2KvMJ28zC

Here is what many people would like to know about who has what in their state by population. Note the state where things have gone wrong have very low numbers...

http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2...-Population.htm

It is starting here in NEW YORK STATE

Thousands and Thousands Protest Rally in Albany over the new SAFE ACT with is Gun Control in New York!

and Lawsuits have been filed against the act!

33 counties are passing regs against the laws.

Firearm companies are saying that they will not sell to the state if they can not sell to the general public the same things. These companies are getting great praise by the gun community.


The people are coming for you King Gov. Cumo for the shaft you gave them and the message is loud and clear!

and the big joke is they have passed a rule saying it is alright for movie companies to use these very guns banned while filming here in NY state....Why for them? The MONEY $$$$ they spend big $$$ filming here.

A friend of mine once explained to me that many of the conflicts in US politics, espeically the gun ownership controversy, correlate with urban vs rural conflicts.
So, even though the whole concept of gun ownership is very strange to me, I can imagine that it makes sense to own guns as means of self defense if you have a house in the middle of nowhere and it takes the police 20 minutes or more until they arrive. On the other side, hunting in New York City seems a little absurd.
What do you think?

I live in NYC it could take the police more then 20 minutes if you call them .

If a person gets caught with a gun in Berlin what can happen to them?

If you wanted to buy an illegal gun in Berlin how would you get one? Would you go through the Turkish community. How about getting heroin sometimes we all need our fixes.

One last question. What if I wanted to play stickball on what is left of the Berlin wall. Let's say I wanted to play opposite the old Ghestopo head quarters that I understand is still in Berlin. But the building has another function now of course.

Bu there is an active street with traffic between the wall and the building. Would the cops hassle me or could I talk or buy my way out of being arrested if I got caught.

And where going to get the money from where china? Most of the money on the last stimulus was pissed away.

Good news today is sequestration day isn't it?

Posted on another site, but it is an interesting read on this subject for sure:

The Statue of Liberty is kaput

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The line from Saving Private Ryan seemed apt for this thread. I have read a lot over the past few months on THR and given my European perspective I just wanted to add something to the debate.

You have to do everything possible to prevent the further infringement on the iconic American right that is the right to keep and bear arms.


Firearms legislation is all about one word and that word is Control with a capital C. It removes the individual's natural right to be able to defend themselves and their families. The goal to make you completely and utterly 100% reliant upon the government. There is no question that RKBA is a true litmus test of trust between those who govern and those who elect them to office.

We are restricted here in numerous ways but broadly it is done by each generation as the technocrats in the EU think long term. Each successive generation is conditioned to accept more restrictions/more costs/more rules of law until you go from a completely free society to complete reliance upon government for anything related to firearms. They think long term.

As a European I have zero rights to use a firearm for defense. I can only use it for hunting or sporting purposes, it was not always like this within this country. The Czech Republic has carry laws but I have no doubt over the decade(s) to come they will be completely eradicated to align with broader EU standards. There is no space for the natural right of self-defense of the individual within the EU collective. Every state must be molded to comply with the desires of non-elected technocrats in Brussels. They think long term....it is all for the collective good.

I cannot even acquire an air rifle/pistol without government approval - everything is licensed/registered/approved. It did not begin that way but once they started registration it was only a question of time. Eventually registration and consequently licensing/approval became mandatory for everything. They think long term.

Financial costs.
I know people who have stopped shooting because the cost of compliance was simply too high both financially and also from all the paperwork and approvals one requires just to target shoot as a pastime.


Before I pay a single cent on acquiring a new firearm here I am looking at USD 116,11....

EUR 20
My European license must be updated.

EUR 50
This is the going rate for updating my national license and having firearms added to it.

EUR 18
I have to go to a photographer and get photos taken "professionally"...i.e. photos placed within the stationary of the photographer. My wife has all the gear to take the same photos, 5k worth of photography equipment which can get the same result....but they are not accepted.

I then have mandatory club membership on an annual basis along with renewing both licenses, both are up for renewal next year. The rising cost of compliance prohibits new shooters to join the sport and inevitably each generation has less and less knowledge/familiarity with firearms. Overall, less people have firearms. They think long term.

Also, there is no legal definition set as to the number of firearms one can own in this country but it is restricted by the head of the firearms department here to a given number. Try and imagine having the number of firearms you own restricted by the whims of a government official. Nobody can afford to take the government to court to point this out, my wife is a lawyer and she laughed at the idea.

In most European countries they banned certain types of firearms or grandfathered them. It is the same thing with a timestamp on the latter. Each successive generation has less until they wake up one day looking like the U.K. It took them less than 100 years to do it. They think long term.

The RKBA underpins liberty and so you all need to do everything possible to try and preserve your right, the RKBA for your childrens' children. You need to start thinking long term too.

FS, calm down! Nobody is going to take your guns away.

Ditto.

Bull,
You must not be reading much on this subject.
What do you think a ban is?



Over 5000 people showed up in Albany (NY) who also feel the same way here. And those are just the ones who could make it there.

and the truth is: if you don't like what I post then move on down the road. NO one is making you read-
or tell you what to post-
Oh wait, someday they just may be doing that...

I am surprised that you so called lawyers aren't following this with what happened in NYS Courts.

My advice for you is get some illegal weapons that no one knows about. Then hide them away so when you need them in a,life and death situation you have them. So when they come to confiscate the weapons you both and registered legally you still have something to protect yourself and your family

There we go!

I'm not really sure what your questions have to do with what I posted, but I try to give you an answer:

1) If you're caught with a gun, it depends if you have a license. If you're involved in illegal trade with guns you can land max. 5 years behind bars. There are 60,000 registered guns in the city (3,5 million inhabitants). Those guns belong to hunters, money transporters, sport shooters. (Not counting police and other security people). Apart from that only 350 people own registered guns.

2) I don't know where I'd have to go to look for illegal guns.

3) The former headquarter of the Gestapo is a museum now. I don't know what would happen if you wanted to play stickball there. Why would somebody above the age of 14 want to do that? The museum is abou 1,000 meters away from where the Berlin wall used to be. There are very few parts left of the Berlin wall. Only this morning some of the parts (known as the East Side Gallery) had been torn down, because some investor wants to build there. Stickball? No problem. Just check out that the ball doesn't fall into the river. But what does that have to do with guns?

It wasnt pissed away, quite the contrary. Dont believe the conservative spin machine on that one. We all know they always have their facts straight. LOL

Actually it would be smart (from a business/common sense standpoint) if we continued to borrow now to make investments in infrastructure/education, etc since interest rates are at historically low levels.