chicago doesn't have "crime fighters"

you get further in chicago by looking the other way

new york is full of snitches and that's why there's more info on them

I grew up in bridge port, and I know most of the grand ave crews theres more then just 28-30 made guys and ahell of alot more soilders then 100 and I no more than 50 want-to-be's that do work for the outfit, the family secrets trial didn't jam up anyone, just a fyI only one made has member has ever flipped on the chicago outfit, and thats nick C. And he only flipped on his own crew. And brother. And joey the the clown was already on the outs with the outfit for what he pulled in 95. And they didn't give a shit about him. The fed's made that trial seem bigger than it was. The chicago mob is alive and well in the windy city. That chart is so wrong they got made members and street bosses listed as soilder.witch is fine with them( the members) but the chart is wrong and I know guys that arn't listed at all.

Hahahaha... that's funny re: Gatuso.

In the FBI file on Marcello he's talking to his brother and he makes a comment to his brother, laughing, about how Lombardo ran more scams/shakesdowns than anyone, I forget the exact wording.

I don't believe the thing about Bananas either. It sounds like a Chuck Palanchuk story. Who knows if that is even physiologically possible.

Can you link me that Marcello F.B.I file? And who you go for Cubs or the other guys?

I wonder how much gambling there still is in Chinatown. Did you read When Corruption Was King? Talks a lot about the Outfit's relationship to the Chinese in Chinatown, various shady merchant's associations, etc.

The Chinese are huge gamblers. I would guess there is still some action over there.

Can you link Marcello's file i've yet to see it and would love to read it? And you with the Cubbie's or the other guys.

Fosco didn't lose me with the ejaculation claim but with his line about "getting justice" for Campise and Gattuso. I know you hate DiFronzo, Joe, but c'mon. They were criminals themselves who chose that life and got what was coming.

Eto caused alot of damage to i think he got Solano, Infelice, Belliva, Solly D, and others if i remember correctly, it may not have been directly cause of him but i know after that they took alot of damage.

The FBI is in Chicago just like anywhere else. And Chicago has had plenty of snitches, just not a lot of them made guys. But that could be due to their relative low number of made members as much as anything. Furthermore, in terms of relative size, one member flipping in Chicago is like 4 or 5 guys flipping in 1 of the smaller NY families. Look how much damage Nick Calabrese did.

Also, did you happen to see this article that talks about the feds having 2 high ranking informants in the Outfit. One for over 25 years and the other for almost 20 years.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=7446674



Geographic claim? Check.

Inflated membership claim? Check.

Feds are full of shit? Check.

Gives the "real" scoop? Check.

All you guys follow the same manual.

The only "major" loss from family secrets was Marcello.

Ha...Rush St. Was dominated by the Outfit until the 70s. Still a lot of guessing as to unnamed parties behind the leases.

Except for Jilly's.

Was that Joe Lombardo on the outs? Wasn't he a top guy? Or had his time passed?

He was definitely one of the biggest guys on the street before he was arrested but like nonose said, he didn't want to go back to jail so he wasn't very active. He even put at ad in the newspaper saying he wasn't involved.

"I am Joe Lombardo. I have been released on parole from Federal prison. I never took a secret oath with guns and daggers, pricked my finger, drew blood or burned paper to join a criminal organization. If anyone hears my name in connection with any criminal activity please notify the FBI, local police and my parole officer, Ron Kumke."


WOW! Guy was nutty!