Maybe I am wrong but hasn't the FBI tried to structure the Outfit like a traditional family out of NY?

Michael Corbitt and Sam Giancana (nephew of his namesake, the infamous crime boss) in their book Double Deal, about the Chicago mob scene. Hyman "Hy" Lamer was a Jewish mobster and a close associate of Sam Giancana. In the newspapers he was known as the "The Ivy League Mobster".[1]

Lamer was the head of the Chicago Outfit's slot machine racket.[1] After Eddie Vogel retired from the gambling machine business Lamer became the power behind the scenes.[2]

When he testified in front of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Improper Activities in Labor and Management in 1959, he invoked his Fifth Amendment rights fifty times.[1]

Lamer expanded the Outfit's gambling and smuggling operations to Latin America, moving the organization's Miami operation to Latin America headquartering in Panama where money laundering was more easily facilitated by local banks. These operations were conducted as a partnership between the Mafia and the CIA. By 1966 this partnership had developed into arms smuggling to the Middle East for the Israeli Mossad, all via Panama.[3]

Hy Lamer had friends among world leaders and key players in the CIA and the U.S. military, and he was also well connected with the Las Vegas bosses like the Teamsters' Allen Dorfman and media mogul Hank Greenspun. wikipedia
the cia tried to structure the mafia.

It's basically that way now. Most of the things that were unique to the Outfit at one time no longer apply.

Prisoner lookup says Nick Calabrese is released. Think that's a function of him being in WITSEC/a prisoner who has "disappeared" from the system for protection purposes, or that he's actually already out.

Wonder where he'll move to.

They seem to have gone to great length to remove all photos of him from the Internet; I've only seen two: One a crummy black and white that has been photocopied numerous time, a mugshot; and the second one was in a video that Chuck Goudy put together. Funny because in that video he had on the big gaudy glasses and was looking very gangster, hardly the picture they painted of him being a nerdy guy who was bullied into everything by his brother.

Interesting:

Goudy also cites the 60 number, with the caveat: "Many of them still out on the streets."

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6729435

When one takes this into account, as well as the FBI officials who cited 28 and 30 members, I think it's fairly obvious a good chunk of those 60 made members Calabrese identified are no longer living. At least 9 members died between the time Calabrese started cooperating and the time the feds put out those exact numbers.

I agree.

He started singing in 2002. You would have had a heck of a lot more old timers still kicking around from the glory days back then.

U got a link to that video?

Here's a prison release record.

Hope it opens.


http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...amp;x=0&y=0

I'll try to find it... they have dozens of videos from FS up on the site so it may take me a while.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. It says he's "released."

But I think (not positive) that sometimes when someone is in WITSEC the system marks them as "released"... like, to hide them.

But he was scheduled to get out in 2013 so he could be out already.

My unsupported opinion is that he is well into the WPP.

I've never seen this one before.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8918424

I just watched that!

Stealing bottled water. LOL.

The Outfit they ain't.

I'm sure most of you guys have seen this, but here it is again. I'm still puzzled how J. DiFronzo managed to escape prosecution.

Tap on the blue links for more info.


http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=6761457

You are probably right. It's like they didn't really even want to send NC to jail but just had to. So they sentenced him to 12 years but with time served, parole, etc., he is supposed to be out in 2013.

So he did less than 4 years from the time he was sentenced.

I don't care how he comes off at trial... anyone who can do the things he did to the degree that he did is a stone-cold f**king psychopath!

That's a good one.

The CW is that they didn't have anything to back up Nick's testimony on DiFronzo. With Marcello they had the "voice ID," with Lombardo re: Seifert they had a thumbprint and a couple other things, like witnesses who had heard him bragging about it on the golf course.

But with DiFronzo all they had was Nick's testimony, and they didn't want to bring him to trial and lose.

I paused it when Goudie said "24 men were listed by the FBI as a threat to Nick Calabrese." I got all the names I could. About half of them. It basically seems like it's the same as their "made men" list.

Frank Caruso
Peter DiFronzo
Aldo Piscetelli
Michael Magnifichi
James Inendino
John Matassa
Dino Marino
Michael Sarno
Paul Spano
Joseph Andriachhi
Joey Lombardo
? Marcello
Solly DeLaurentis

It's funny watching the DiFronzo "Lunch With No Nose" video. You see what an instinctive and innate liar he is.

He first denies knowing Marco D'Amico, then, a moment later, attests that he "hasn't seen him around."

He then says it's his first time at the Loon. (Now called the River Cafe I believe.)

I'd rather be broke than have to lie about everything all the time, constantly. These guys live in a state of constant paranoia; I think a lot of them have mental problems.

what about the made guys that nick calabrese had no clue even existed?

did you take into consideration that hitmen don't get told all the secrets?

or should we just go by the lowest number of members cited by the feds?

I don't think it's a stretch to think NIck knew all the made guys.

Hell, we know most of them.

I wish in the lunch with no nose video that they said who the other guys at the table were. It was the 3 DiFronzo brothers and Marco D'Amico but there were like 4 other guys. Any guesses?

I couldn't see anyone clearly enough.

I wonder if it was guys only in his "circle" like elmwood and grand guys. Think anyone of them were Cicero or south side guys?

I don't know but if they were people who were known the "I Team" probably would have noted it.

It was interesting to see D'Amico. I would have never recognized him. That guy has been laying loooooooooooooooow since he got out. That is the only video/photo of him I've seen you can find besides a few ancient mug shots.

I've seen D'Amico's name mentioned a lot over the years. Robert Cooley mentioned him in a video. Cooley implied he was pretty powerful in The Outfit. I just looked at Wikipedia to get some basic info. So what was his status? Sounded like Cooley was saying he controlled quite a few gambling operations.

Oh yeah, Cooley also said he (Cooley) got into some gambling problems and went to see J. DiFronzo and his debt was forgiven. I believe he later gave testimony about JD

Good ole boys!

I think it's generally accepted that Marco was in charge of a lot of the bookmaking. He used to have a "Survivor's Club" down on Taylor Street, which you know if you read Cooley's book. Think he was associated with the Wild Bunch.

Over on the old ANP posts there was always a raging debate over whether Marco was made or not. Fosco vehemently denied he was, the other guys insisted that he was.

No idea why he wouldn't be made but, yeah, he's definitely perceived as being among the very top echelon.

Thanks for the info.

It doesn't do much good to theorize on the unknown, though I'm sure you'd like to in order to justify inflated figures. And in this day and age, the fed's numbers are going to be very close. It's not likely that a large portion of any family is going to fly under the radar. There may be come members that were unknown when then FBI cited 28 and 30 members in 2007 but not enough to make much difference.

Tony Accardo isn't alive anymore to give an accurate number. The FBI had no problem getting people directly under him but couldn't get him???? Either dry snitch or just a figurehead bogeyman of no power.

so nick calabrese gave an inflated number of made guys in 2007?