"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
GA wrote about this last week. They post Gang Land on the RD, GA wrote Gang Land this week for Capeci and he goes over this and the other stuff that panned out last week. Basically about Nicodemos situation, Uncle Joe and then Licata (fazzini)
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
As Thomas DelGiorno put it, becoming a ranking member of the family means the "difference of being in the major leagues and minor leagues as far as gangsters are concerned."
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
apparently nicodemo has told his associates that he is willing to "sit forever" on his case, right now hes facing conspiracy to commit murder if the grand jury upgrades it to first degree murder then it could be a life sentence or even the death penalty.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
Philly Hits (if anyone sees someone missing, please comment)
August 17, 1936 – John "Nazzone" Avena January 30, 1962 – Dominick “Reds” Caruso December 25, 1973 – Joe McGreal 1975 - Albert Meglia 1976 - Louis DeMarco July 3, 1977 - Guiseppi “Pepe” Leva (body found) February 15, 1978 – Judge Edwin Helfont December 16, 1979 – Vincent Falcone March 21, 1980 – Angelo “The Gentle Don” Bruno April 17, 1980 – Antonio “Tony Bananas” Capanigro April 17, 1980 – Alfred Salerno May 19, 1980 – Edward Bianculli September 19, 1980 – John “Johnny Keyes” Simone October 30, 1980 – Frank Sindone December 16, 1980 – John McCullough March 15, 1981 – Philip “Chicken Man” Testa March 27, 1981 - Chelsais "Steve" Bouras October 6, 1981 – John Calabrese January 7, 1982 – Frank “Chickie” Narducci, Sr. February 25, 1982 - Dominick “Mickey Diamond” DeVito March 15, 1982 – Rocco “Boom Boom” Marinucci May 13, 1982 – Frank Monte January 17, 1983 - Robert Hornickel April 26, 1983 – Pasquale "Pat the Cat" Spirito November 3, 1983 – Salvatore Tamburrino December 6, 1983 – Robert Riccobene September 14, 1984 – Salvatore “Salvie” Testa July 23, 1985 – Frank "Frankie Flowers" D'Alfonso May 24, 1990 – Louis "Louie Irish" DeLuca January 29, 1992 – Felix Bocchino May 29, 1992 – James “Jimmy Brooms” D’Addorio August 5, 1993 – Michael “Mikey Chang” Ciancaglini September 17, 1993 – Frankie Baldino January 19, 1994 - Nicasio Zagone (Murder or Suicide) July 16, 1994 – Willie “Crazy Willie” Gantz December 7, 1994 - Michael "Mickey Ice" Brennan (body found) February 24, 1995 – Ralph Mazzuca June 10, 1995 – Frankie Russo October 5, 1995 – Billy Veasey April 3, 1996 – Michael “Dutchie” Avicolli May 29, 1996 –Anthony "Tony Machines" Milicia December 7, 1996 – Joe Sodano March 18, 1998 – Anthony Turra October 26, 1999 – Ronald “Ronnie” Turchi January 17, 2002 – Raymond "Long John" Martorano November 21, 2003 – John “Johnny Gongs” Casasanto June 10, 2010 - Rocco Maniscalco December 12, 2012 – Gino DiPietro
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"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Thats how a lot of guys make money down here. A lot just live off their properties. There are so many properties that they buy them out and renovate for cheap and then rent or flip. Back in the late 90s early 2000s it was real easy to get hot stuff around here but its been harder lately. Things like hard wood floors guys would get for cheap and have mexicans install for nothing. People do that all over the world though. I know he was also invloved with insurance adjusters. But he did work for a mortgage company and was probably one of the biggest earners so yea I can believe that number for him but not sure about other guys. He gave out a lot of loans to around the city and people would pay him back based on his reputation. I been trying to find out if Dom Grade is running his show for him right now. He has a lot to lose. Nice house, two kids. But from what I have heard he has always been somewhat of a maniac. But hes sitting in city jail now and the Black Muslims run that shit. Not fun!
We will probably never really know if hits like the Rocco or gino marconi were really Mob hits as in ordered by the family. They both came from out of nowhere really.
June 8, 1982 – Harry “the Hunchback” Riccobene July 31, 1982 – Salvatore “Salvie” Testa August 10, 1982 – Frank Salerno, Sr. August 21, 1982 – Harry “the Hunchback” Riccobene October 14, 1983 – Frank Martinez December 10, 1983 – Salvatore “Salvie” Testa May 27, 1986 – Steven Vento, Jr. October 31, 1989 – Nicodemo “Nicky” Scarfo, Jr. March 2, 1993 – Joseph “Joey Chang” Ciancaglini, Jr. August 5, 1993 – Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino August 31, 1993 – John Stanfa
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"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
June 8, 1982 – Harry “the Hunchback” Riccobene July 31, 1982 – Salvatore “Salvie” Testa August 21, 1982 – Harry “the Hunchback” Riccobene October 14, 1983 – Frank Martinez December 10, 1983 – Salvatore “Salvie” Testa May 27, 1986 – Steven Vento, Jr. October 31, 1989 – Nicodemo “Nicky” Scarfo, Jr. March 2, 1993 – Joseph “Joey Chang” Ciancaglini, Jr. August 5, 1993 – Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino August 31, 1993 – John Stanfa
Stanfa is not dead. I believe you are referring to his son, Joe, who was shot in the face on August 31,1993. Joe lived though.
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: jmack]
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They are the "Missed" Hits...as in attempted but failed
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Nicodemo was top earner in the city until he went away. Had a legit job and sure he was still involved in sharking and heavy gambling. Would think next to Staino maybe he was the top earner. That all means nothing now.
Martines is how it's spelled I think, guy was made under Stanfa and was with the Riccobenes prior,had a last name similar to Bonnano mobster John Morales , then again his nickname was "Spanish Frank" but I doubt he was actually Spanish
I have seen it spelled both ways. I originally had it spelled Martines, then I actually just saw it spelled with a 'z' the last few times. I attached a pic.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"It is difficult to chart the history of the Philadelphia Mafia, given its frequent personnel changes caused by the violent deaths of several of its members."
Quote from 3rd Circuit opinion in United States v. Pungitore, 910 F.2d 1084 (3d Cir. 1990).
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"It is difficult to chart the history of the Philadelphia Mafia, given its frequent personnel changes caused by the violent deaths of several of its members."
Quote from 3rd Circuit opinion in United States v. Pungitore, 910 F.2d 1084 (3d Cir. 1990).
"It is difficult to chart the history of the Philadelphia Mafia, given its frequent personnel changes caused by the violent deaths of several of its members."
Quote from 3rd Circuit opinion in United States v. Pungitore, 910 F.2d 1084 (3d Cir. 1990).
Wonderful quote and very true
There are literally so many of them, its almost hard to catch them all. I'm just now reading through a 3rd Circuit opinion from 1983 involving the Chestnut Hill Lincoln Mercury Dealership staged robbery, a bunch of numbers operations and loansharking from the late 70s where govt had wiretapped Frank's Cabana Steak House, Tyrone DeNittis Talent Agency, and C. Warren Check Cashing Company. For some reaason, Carl Ippolito was found incompetent to stand trial and I havent gotten to why yet. Before the trial even started, 5 of some 12 defendants were killed -- Bruno, Phil Testa, Narducci, Sindone, and Simone; and Pat the Cat was whacked pending the appeal. Lol.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
[Here is another great part of 3rd Circuit opinion]
On November 4, 1977, four of the co-conspirators, Testa, Narducci, Scarfo, and Harry Riccobene, discussed the selection of a new "consigliere," or advisor, for the group. From their conversation, it is apparent that there are regularized roles in the organization, and that the various positions provide their holders with different rights and privileges, such as voting in these elections.
The participants in the conversation are designated by their initials: H-Harry Riccobene; PT-Phil Testa; FN-Frank Narducci; NS-Nicky Scarfo. Phrases transcribed phonetically are marked "(PH)."
PT: So what's gonna happen, HARRY? Did you hear anything about the new "Cosig" . . . (PH)?
H: The new what?
PT: The new "Cosig"! The new Consiglieri! (TESTA utters Italian expression . . .) . . . "Menda se vis" . . . (PH).
FN: He . . . never says nothing to us. I'm "Capi" and don't know. I presume he don't know either.
H: It shouldn't be . . .
PT: I know what the law is HARRY.
H: It shouldn't be.
NS: The right way should be the right way.
PT: Yeah
H: Yeah. If you don't want to get.
PT: Everything is changed! I don't know, everybody does what the F . . . (obscene) . . . they want anymore!
H: No. Nothing changed.
PT: Well.
H: Well, if you don't get "everybody" . . . You get all of the "heads" . . . You know? That's acceptable. And let them vote on it.
PT: Yeah, you know why it's acceptable? Because the Capi's are supposed to talk to their men.
PT: But in your time HARRY, has there ever been more than two candidates? More than one candidate?
H: Never.
PT: Usually they chose a guy and that's the end of it.
NS: And that's the end of it. It usually works out that way.
H: We'd have a "thing" you know. And I would say, ah . . . "I propose NICKY." And you would go, "I second the motion."
FN: All right.
H: Anybody against it?
NS: And that's the end of it.
H: You see, it isn't like it used to be, where everybody was invited. Today, it's not gonna be that way. They are only gonna invite certain people. And the certain people are gonna be the ones that are gonna give him the vote.
PT: Right.
H: You follow me?
NS: Uh huh.
H: If it could be like the old days, then you could go around him a little a be ah . . . you know, use the power. You talk to all your potential close associates. Then you get the names, nominate somebody. You propose him. I propose this guy. And somebody seconds the motion. And then there is a vote between them. If nobody goes against the guy that is selected, it's all over.
FN: Over here, he's not even bounded by the cigars, PH. He just proposes "A" PH and that's it. Whatever he says.
H: That's right, that's what it is!
NS: Right.
FN: Get the ones that are gonna go that way and that's it.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Good to see you posting again Jacklynn, i was starting to think Ralph kidnapped you and made you his sex slave.
Hardly meet up to his high standards. But then again, the feds did cause him to go blind. So maybe I'd have a chance.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Definitely in the running for one of best lines. And the Chicken Man aint talkin about Rudy's RICO
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Martines is how it's spelled I think, guy was made under Stanfa and was with the Riccobenes prior,had a last name similar to Bonnano mobster John Morales , then again his nickname was "Spanish Frank" but I doubt he was actually Spanish
he looks panish from the pic that was posted, looks like an uncle of mine
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Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
"It is difficult to chart the history of the Philadelphia Mafia, given its frequent personnel changes caused by the violent deaths of several of its members."
Quote from 3rd Circuit opinion in United States v. Pungitore, 910 F.2d 1084 (3d Cir. 1990).
Wonderful quote and very true
There are literally so many of them, its almost hard to catch them all. I'm just now reading through a 3rd Circuit opinion from 1983 involving the Chestnut Hill Lincoln Mercury Dealership staged robbery, a bunch of numbers operations and loansharking from the late 70s where govt had wiretapped Frank's Cabana Steak House, Tyrone DeNittis Talent Agency, and C. Warren Check Cashing Company. For some reaason, Carl Ippolito was found incompetent to stand trial and I havent gotten to why yet. Before the trial even started, 5 of some 12 defendants were killed -- Bruno, Phil Testa, Narducci, Sindone, and Simone; and Pat the Cat was whacked pending the appeal. Lol.
I've heard all these people obviously except for Carl Ippolito? What family was he with?
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"It is difficult to chart the history of the Philadelphia Mafia, given its frequent personnel changes caused by the violent deaths of several of its members."
Quote from 3rd Circuit opinion in United States v. Pungitore, 910 F.2d 1084 (3d Cir. 1990).
Wonderful quote and very true
He was an associate of Stanfa's Florida crew... There are literally so many of them, its almost hard to catch them all. I'm just now reading through a 3rd Circuit opinion from 1983 involving the Chestnut Hill Lincoln Mercury Dealership staged robbery, a bunch of numbers operations and loansharking from the late 70s where govt had wiretapped Frank's Cabana Steak House, Tyrone DeNittis Talent Agency, and C. Warren Check Cashing Company. For some reaason, Carl Ippolito was found incompetent to stand trial and I havent gotten to why yet. Before the trial even started, 5 of some 12 defendants were killed -- Bruno, Phil Testa, Narducci, Sindone, and Simone; and Pat the Cat was whacked pending the appeal. Lol.
I've heard all these people obviously except for Carl Ippolito? What family was he with?
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Martines is how it's spelled I think, guy was made under Stanfa and was with the Riccobenes prior,had a last name similar to Bonnano mobster John Morales , then again his nickname was "Spanish Frank" but I doubt he was actually Spanish
I think you actually may be right with the spelling. The court opinion has Frank's last name spelled as Martines.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
I've heard all these people obviously except for Carl Ippolito? What family was he with?
99% sure he was a made guy with the Bruno family in philly but he was based out of Trenton. They used to call him Pappy or something like that.
Stanfa's Florida crew. With Santo Idone and Anthony "Spike" Gregorio
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Yeah, I was just looking for the part of Anastasia's book, The Last Gangster, where he tells the time frame. It was when Stanfa was kind of ousted by the family for causing a bunch of craziness. Idone and Gregorio definitely spent some time in PA/NJ. Once I find the passage I'll update you.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Looks like Pappy Ippolito was Joey Ipp's uncle. Joey Ippolito was a pretty big drug guy. There's a photo of Joey Ipp and Jimmy Coonan from the westies together at one of the prisons they were at. I think Joey's Ipp's father was with the DeCavalcante's.
Jacklynn this one site has a page on a few of the guys you mentioned being down in Florida but i'm not sure on the years.
Just reading the NJ SCI investigation reports from 1991 on OC in bars explains how unbelievably profitable these guys were before Mr. MTV Merlino took over. Obviously, nothing near what Bruno was able to do b/c of his respect from NY, but I never knew the number of south jersey and philly bars the Bruno/Scarfo family had a dip in. Not to mention the freakin Medford Country Club!!!!
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
And seriously, the number of people Leonetti has taken down in court...how is he still alive? If I were affiliated with any of them and saw the Mafia Prince's little book, I would have gone straight bananas! Ugh. Natale is one thing, but how MTV Merlino is allowing Leonetti to out-pretty him, is just sad.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
I've heard all these people obviously except for Carl Ippolito? What family was he with?
99% sure he was a made guy with the Bruno family in philly but he was based out of Trenton. They used to call him Pappy or something like that.
You were right! And ask anyone I know, and they will tell you how hard it is for me to admit that. lol. But Ill never admit saying it now...
"...Carl “Pappy” Ippolito and it took awhile for Ippolito to get his money back.Ippolito, who was a member of the Family from the Trenton, N.J., area.."
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Just reading the NJ SCI investigation reports from 1991 on OC in bars explains how unbelievably profitable these guys were before Mr. MTV Merlino took over.
OCbars1 and OCbars2 are great reads. A ton of good info in them.
It seems like every time I look up info on one murder, I find three more! lol. The list continues to grow
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Okay my fellow Fhilthadelphians...I just got "Prince" Leonetti's book. I apologize now for any future rants on how much of a sell out he is. I'm in no way condoning "that life" but if you are going to take the oath, then take the oath and die by the oath.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Isn't that something JackieLynn and alot of these people say the feds and the law are wasting their time on these guys,their just a couple of old bookmakers from the neighborhood,go after the real criminals.Jackie is murder a crime?
I have seen it spelled both ways. I originally had it spelled Martines, then I actually just saw it spelled with a 'z' the last few times. I attached a pic.
I know their family and his son lets you know its "Martines" with an "S"
Okay my fellow Fhilthadelphians...I just got "Prince" Leonetti's book. I apologize now for any future rants on how much of a sell out he is. I'm in no way condoning "that life" but if you are going to take the oath, then take the oath and die by the oath.
It's actually a pretty decent read Jacklynn, i think you'll enjoy it.
One thing Leonetti say's throughout the book is how alot of the guys didn't realise that NY picked the boss and without their approval you could not become the boss of the family.
That does seem to have been the case up until the time of Joey Merlino. Say what you want about Merlino but it sure seemed like he didn't give a shit if NY approved of him or not. First philly guy to stand up to those meddling NY bosses. I read Tino Fiumara wanted Joey and his pals to come up north for a chat, where there was a good chance they would of been hit. Joey told Tino something like, you want to talk, well come down to philly and we'll talk here. That takes balls my friends to tell a feared guy like Tino Fiumara your not interested in having a talk with him unless it's on your home turf. Not too many people that annoyed Tino lived after pissing him off. Without a doubt Fiumara was the most feared gangster in jersey at the time.
Okay my fellow Fhilthadelphians...I just got "Prince" Leonetti's book. I apologize now for any future rants on how much of a sell out he is. I'm in no way condoning "that life" but if you are going to take the oath, then take the oath and die by the oath.
It's actually a pretty decent read Jacklynn, i think you'll enjoy it.
One thing Leonetti say's throughout the book is how alot of the guys didn't realise that NY picked the boss and without their approval you could not become the boss of the family.
That does seem to have been the case up until the time of Joey Merlino. Say what you want about Merlino but it sure seemed like he didn't give a shit if NY approved of him or not. First philly guy to stand up to those meddling NY bosses. I read Tino Fiumara wanted Joey and his pals to come up north for a chat, where there was a good chance they would of been hit. Joey told Tino something like, you want to talk, well come down to philly and we'll talk here. That takes balls my friends to tell a feared guy like Tino Fiumara your not interested in having a talk with him unless it's on your home turf. Not too many people that annoyed Tino lived after pissing him off. Without a doubt Fiumara was the most feared gangster in jersey at the time.
i remember hearing this story a few times
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
For the record I don't doubt the story. Just would like to read it. I am an avid reader and book nut
Who knows if it's really true or not, but i definitely read it somewhere. Merlino isn't a guy who i really think much of (as a boss), but when i read he blew Tino off i had to give the guy props for having the balls to do it. It definitely caught my attention when i read it.
Speaking of going for a ride up north,was that basically the demise of Dutchie Avicoli.Wasn't he good friends with Merlino so he basically went on his own free will and never came back.Is that how it went,and was it because he was messing with somebody's lady.
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Speaking of going for a ride up north,was that basically the demise of Dutchie Avicoli.Wasn't he good friends with Merlino so he basically went on his own free will and never came back.Is that how it went,and was it because he was messing with somebody's lady.
I have no idea if it's true or not but i remember hearing that Avicoli was messin with the wrong guys wife, and it wasn't Merlino's.
Yes, they were. In Leonetti's book there's a photo of Spike with Leonetti's son in the Scarf Inc office.
Idone's been around since at least Bruno who bumped him up to capo in 1976 or 77. Didn't he run the rackets in Chester?
I got it from the book to. I have to re-read though. I read it so fast the first time I want to see what I missed or can't remember.
Same here, when i read it the second time i noticed a few things that i missed the first time around.
Pretty sure Spike was originally a south philly guy and Leonetti said he was basically the caretaker for Scarfo's florida house. He kept the place in shape for Nicky when the guys were up north or in jail. Leonetti said everyone liked Spike and that he was a real happy go lucky guy but that he also was a "degenerate gambler and con man" who owed everyone, and would "steal anything he could get his hands on". lol
I really don't know too much else about DiGregorio besides what Leonetti wrote in his book.
Okay my fellow Fhilthadelphians...I just got "Prince" Leonetti's book. I apologize now for any future rants on how much of a sell out he is. I'm in no way condoning "that life" but if you are going to take the oath, then take the oath and die by the oath.
It's actually a pretty decent read Jacklynn, i think you'll enjoy it.
One thing Leonetti say's throughout the book is how alot of the guys didn't realise that NY picked the boss and without their approval you could not become the boss of the family.
That does seem to have been the case up until the time of Joey Merlino. Say what you want about Merlino but it sure seemed like he didn't give a shit if NY approved of him or not. First philly guy to stand up to those meddling NY bosses. I read Tino Fiumara wanted Joey and his pals to come up north for a chat, where there was a good chance they would of been hit. Joey told Tino something like, you want to talk, well come down to philly and we'll talk here. That takes balls my friends to tell a feared guy like Tino Fiumara your not interested in having a talk with him unless it's on your home turf. Not too many people that annoyed Tino lived after pissing him off. Without a doubt Fiumara was the most feared gangster in jersey at the time.
Im not really impressed. Its really easy to say all he says after serving 5 years, 5 months, and 5 days...despite admitting over 20 murders. That disgusts me as a citizen, as a lawyer, as a human being. Not only that, but he is profiting off it all. Again, Im just as guilty because I purchased the book (well I didnt, but guilted a friend into buying it for me. lol).
I dont like him. And maybe that biases me toward the book. Not to mention that I wasnt 8 pages in and I find a typo, and then a second one on pg 17. (sorry Im an editor, and I sleep with red pens near me).
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
I added some more murders...and I have a few more to add but I want to confirm the dates (I also hate when dates are wrong).
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Turned Rat (I have alot more to add once I find the dates)
July 9, 1974 - Frederick Angelucci July 22, 1974 - Robert Cicalese November 11, 1986-Andrew “Tommy Del” DelGiorno November 14, 1986 – Nicholas "Nicky Crow" Caramandi March 15, 1989 – Eugene “Gino” Milano May 8, 1989-Lawrence “Yogi” Merlino September 11, 1999 – Ralph Natale March 24, 2000 - Gaetano “Tommy Horsehead” Scafidi
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Im not really impressed. Its really easy to say all he says after serving 5 years, 5 months, and 5 days...despite admitting over 20 murders. That disgusts me as a citizen, as a lawyer, as a human being. Not only that, but he is profiting off it all. Again, Im just as guilty because I purchased the book (well I didnt, but guilted a friend into buying it for me. lol).
I dont like him. And maybe that biases me toward the book. Not to mention that I wasnt 8 pages in and I find a typo, and then a second one on pg 17. (sorry Im an editor, and I sleep with red pens near me).
I noticed typo's throughout the book, more of those to come.
Well sure Leonetti is a lowlife, but 99% of the guys in that life are too. What were you expecting? All these guys are nothing but a bunch of parasites who could give 2 shits about anyone. They lie, cheat, steal and murder to get what they want. Leonetti is just one of many. The only reason he most likely even wrote the book was for the money and hope of one day selling the story to some hollywood studio. He freely admits he sleeps like a baby these days and really has little remorse for what he's done.
There were quite a few typos in that book and the author is over on the RD, Scott, and he said he was pissed about those as well. These days they cut costs where they can. I am glad Phil finally put a book out. He was next to Scarfo SR his whole life and during that whole rise and fall. I really enjoyed the book but hes starting to piss me off a little in some of his recent interviews with his I only killed bad people routine.
There were quite a few typos in that book and the author is over on the RD, Scott, and he said he was pissed about those as well. These days they cut costs where they can. I am glad Phil finally put a book out. He was next to Scarfo SR his whole life and during that whole rise and fall. I really enjoyed the book but hes starting to piss me off a little in some of his recent interviews with his I only killed bad people routine.
And he was all into the killings and life until he started to get a lil jammed up and it was getting to be serious stuff and then his uncle turned in his eyes into the devil.....good read but guy is a lowlife scum....
Leonetti is a sociopath and he has been rationalising his involvement in all those homicides with that line "we only killed bad people" pretty much from day 1 after he flipped. I haven't watched it in awhile but i think i remember him saying it in the Underboss documentary he did and pretty much all the interviews he's done over the years.
On a side note i thought it was pretty crazy when Scarfo snapped at Phil while they were locked up in the holding pen and Nicky said he blamed Leonetti and his mother (Scarfo's sister) for driving his son Mark Scarfo to his suicide attempt.
"The way she would scream and holler at him and that vein would come out of her throat. This is your fault. You and that witch sister of mine, your just like her"
What a totally dysfunctional family the Leonetti/Scarfo's were. No wonder Leonetti's father took off and never came back.
What a great, great thread. You have all done a super job with outstanding follow-through. I'm just getting into Philly while reading The Goodfella Tapes. I needn't go much further than here as a jump off reference point. Again, drinks all around and keep up the good work.
N..... or no, bastard had balls, shame to kill him... I got nuthin', I got nuthin...
Coming to bb is like going to the dollar store. You came for one thing, but once in now youse cant leave.
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What a great, great thread. You have all done a super job with outstanding follow-through. I'm just getting into Philly while reading The Goodfella Tapes. I needn't go much further than here as a jump off reference point. Again, drinks all around and keep up the good work.
Thank you for your compliments. I plan on taking over George Anastasia's chair one day, he just doesnt know yet. lol. I have a 12-page timeline of the family that I will post soon.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Leonetti is a sociopath and he has been rationalising his involvement in all those homicides with that line "we only killed bad people" pretty much from day 1 after he flipped. I haven't watched it in awhile but i think i remember him saying it in the Underboss documentary he did and pretty much all the interviews he's done over the years.
On a side note i thought it was pretty crazy when Scarfo snapped at Phil while they were locked up in the holding pen and Nicky said he blamed Leonetti and his mother (Scarfo's sister) for driving his son Mark Scarfo to his suicide attempt.
"The way she would scream and holler at him and that vein would come out of her throat. This is your fault. You and that witch sister of mine, your just like her"
What a totally dysfunctional family the Leonetti/Scarfo's were. No wonder Leonetti's father took off and never came back.
My heart aches for Mark Scarfo. I only learned about him this past year, and the story definitely took a little bit of my romance with mob away. Not to mention Mark was absolutely beautiful. But, with Leonetti using that as his "tipping point", I question the sincerity.
While I only have a bachelor's in psychology, I have studied psychopathy for past 14 years, and you cant "flip" on your genetics. One need only read Leonetti's 'acknowledgment' paragraph to grasp who he is.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
There are still Veaseys living in this area. John and Billy also had a younger brother who they called Peanut. He uses his mother's maiden name of Cuticchia instead of Veasey. His name is Dante and he has had his share of trouble in the past
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Yeah I have pics of JohnJohn Veasey. And just ordered Ralph Ciprano's book HitMan.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Any help ID'ing peeps in this pic? I know the first on the far left is John 'Johnny Chang' Ciancaglini...
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Previte was a Capo? I thought he was an associate. It says in his documentary on youtube that he wasn't given a ceremony.
That's one of those things that has caused a lot of discussion. You're right, he never went through the ceremony. And yet, he was considered to be made by the family. Traditionalists will say that's impossible, he's got to go through the ceremony. Others will look to how he was viewed by the rest of the made guys in the family. I understand both points of view.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
"Your with us" to me means "your an associate". I dont think that qualifies as being a made guy.
Regardless of the exact words Stanfa said, it's known that he was viewed as a made guy. But, again, I realize that it can be argued that doesn't cut it.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
My new mob poster boy. Fascinates the hell outta me on many levels. A tough guy's tough guy. You can debate his mentality, morality, loyalty, etc., till the cows return, but he belongs in a ninch all to himself.
The most remarkable thing, in my view, is his overcoming a dope habit before being made. That constitutes a tough guy in my book. After having struggled with a similar jones for well over 30 years myself, just hearing that JV beat his own chemical demon, blows me away.
What was his drug of choice (before replacing it with killing people)...anyone know...?
N..... or no, bastard had balls, shame to kill him... I got nuthin', I got nuthin...
Coming to bb is like going to the dollar store. You came for one thing, but once in now youse cant leave.
Any help ID'ing peeps in this pic? I know the first on the far left is John 'Johnny Chang' Ciancaglini...
This picture is from the late 80's, The guy next to Johnny Chang may be Ralph Mazzucca (Hit years ago) but I'm not sure. The guy to the right of the guy with the hat on looks like Marty Angelina.
(1) Felix "Skinny Razor" DiTullio (2) Joseph "Joe the Boss" Rugnetta (3) Vince Filipell (by far my fav) (4) Nicholas "Nicky Buck" Piccolo (my 2nd fav)
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Jacklynn lol at vince (your fav) the size of that guy in that picture compared to the most recent ones of him he's probably been addicted to juice for 20 years..I know one of Stanfa old boyguard's Freddie Alrich or something he was a marine that saved stanfa's son life died within the past few years
Random Poster:"I'm sorry I didn't go to an Ivy-league school like you"
"Ah I actually I didn't. It's a nickname the feds gave the Genovese Family."
Ur right on both ur thoughts...Vince "Mr. Universe" Filipelli is a known juicer in the Cherry Hill NJ area. And Fred Aldrich (who was brought in "undercover" by Ron Previte)was a former marine and did save both Stanfa and his son's lives.
Filipelli, Aldrich, and Previte were referred to as Stanfa's "Palace Guard"
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Ur right on both ur thoughts...Vince "Mr. Universe" Filipelli is a known juicer in the Cherry Hill NJ area. And Fred Aldrich (who was brought in "undercover" by Ron Previte)was a former marine and did save both Stanfa and his son's lives.
Filipelli, Aldrich, and Previte were referred to as Stanfa's "Palace Guard"
Stanfa was a troubled man
Random Poster:"I'm sorry I didn't go to an Ivy-league school like you"
"Ah I actually I didn't. It's a nickname the feds gave the Genovese Family."
This picture is from the late 80's, The guy next to Johnny Chang may be Ralph Mazzucca (Hit years ago) but I'm not sure. The guy to the right of the guy with the hat on looks like Marty Angelina.
Anyone have a pic of Ralph Mazzucca alive? lol
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Ex-mobster John Veasey on '60 Minutes' this Sunday
Former mob hit man John Veasey's biography details his work for one of the city's mob organizations, the hits he carried out, the attempt on his life, and more. Ex-Philly mobster John Veasey will be the subject of a "60 Minutes" segment this Sunday at 7 p.m.
Byron Pitts interviews Veasey, who found god after leaving the mafia and going through the Federal Witness-Protection Program. Veasey's testimony in the '90s was instrumental in bringing down mob boss John Stanfa and his associates. But if he's the angel he claims to be, what's up with the nasty voicemails he's been caught leaving for the wife of the man he suspects killed his brother, Billy?
Veasey story shouldn't be unfamiliar to Philadelphians. Veasey's life was chronicled in an e-book by former Inquirer reporter Ralph Cipriano and Fox 29's Dave Schratwieser, called The Hit Man: A True Story of Murder, Redemption and the Melrose Diner. Cipriano also wrote about Veasey's story for Philadelphia Magazine in 2010.
Check out a clip from the show below. My favorite line? "Their kids had fun when I took them camping."
Lawyers for two high ranking members of the Philadelphia crime family said this afternoon that they are waiting to hear from their clients and their clients' families before committing to represent them in a racketeering retrial tentatively set for October.
Edwin Jacobs Jr. told Judge Eduardo Robreno that members of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi's family "are attempting to gather sufficient funds to pay me for the retrial."
Gregory Pagano, the lawyer for top Ligambi associate Anthony Staino, said he is in the same position.
Robreno asked the lawyers to let him know by the end of the month. But with or without them, Robreno said, the retrial will start in October. In the alternative, the judge could appoint lawyers should Ligambi and Staino declare that they are unable to afford representation.
A third defendant in the pending retrial, George Borgesi, is apparently switching lawyers. Christopher Warren entered his appearance for Borgesi at a status hearing this afternoon. Warren would replace court-appointed attorney Paul Hetznecker who had a scheduling problem and would not have been able to retry the case until early in 2014.
Warren, who represented mob capo Joseph Licata at the earlier trial, said Hetznecker's inability to go to trial sooner was the only reason Borgesi opted to change attorneys. Robreno tentatively approved the switch but said Borgesi would have to appear before him and waive any potential conflict issues before Warren could officially take over.
Hetznecker's courtroom performance was hard to beat. Borgesi was found not guilty of 13 of the 14 counts he faced. The jury hung on a racketeering conspiracy charge against him, Ligambi and Staino. That is the principal charge in the retrial. Ligambi also faces gambling charges.
The new trial would begin a year after the first trial which began in mid-October 2012. The trial took 10 weeks and the jury deliberated for 21 more days before delivering a mixed verdict on Feb. 5. Prosecutors said they did not anticipate a retrial taking as long.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor said the government case would take five or six weeks to present, slightly less time than the first trial.
There were seven defendants in that case.
The jury delivered not guilty verdicts on 46 charges, hung on 11 others and found four defendants -- Staino, Joseph "Mousie" Massimino, Damion Canalichio and Gary Battaglini -- guilty of a total of five charges.
Jacobs said the verdicts "gutted" the government's case, but the prosecution spun the outcome in the opposite direction, pointing to the convictions and earlier guilty pleas from other defendants. Nine defendants have either been convicted or pleaded guilty. Only Warren's original client, Licata, has been acquitted.
Massimino, Canalichio and Battaglini were all convicted of racketeering conspiracy, the principal charge in the case. They are to be sentenced in May. Staino was convicted of two extortion charges, but his sentencing will be delayed pending the outcome of the retrial or, according to some sources, a possible plea deal involving the still unresolved racketeering charge.
Ligambi will be retried on racketeering conspiracy and gambling charges on which the jury hung. Borgesi will be retried on the one racketeering conspiracy count. Two others defendants who were severed from the first case, Eric Esposito and Robert Ranieri, are also to be tried. Esposito faces gambling charges while Ranieri is charged with loansharking.
As the retrial moves forward, Philadelphia homicide detectives continue to work on a murder case pending against Anthony Nicodemo, a mob soldier arrested in December for the gangland-style shooting of Gino DiPietro in South Philadelphia.
Nicodemo, 41, was indicted earlier this week on first degree murder, conspiracy and weapons charges. The conspiracy count would seem to imply that authorities believe the shooting involved more than one defendant.
"Stayed tuned," said one investigative source.
Federal authorities, meanwhile, continue to monitor that investigation. Nicodemo has been identified in a New Jersey State Police affidavit as a suspect in the unsolved mob murder of John "Johnny Gongs" Casasanto in 2003. That is one of three unsolved murders authorities would like to link to the Ligambi organization.
Alright Philly fans! I have decided to turn my 6 months of research into a book that I'm going to self publish. Its sort of a Philly LCN Memory Book (half highschool yearbook and half police mugshot book). I've compiled the best of the best quotes of the Philly wiseguys and their high priced mouthpieces; quotes from law enforcement, judges, mob watchers,etc. I have a 50-page a growing chronology of significant dates broken down by persons involved, type of event (intercepted convo, convictions, prison release, arrests, etc).
It is a beast of a work so far. I'm going to shoot it over to the Dr. of all things Philly Mob, George Anastasia, sometime next week and see what he thinks.
I have pics upon pics. But if anyone has any please share.
Hopefully this little endeavor works. I am bitter with the lack of respect of Philly wiseguys in the mob publishing world.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Thanks Giancarlo....and I haven't been able to find anything concerning Nicodemo case. It will be interesting to see the timing of the two trials if feds go thru on retrying Philly's Teflon Don Ligambi.
"Goodfellas don't sue goodfellas. . . . Goodfellas kill goodfellas." ~ Salvatore Profaci in bugged NJ mob lawyer Sal Avena's office
“This was the Volkswagen of racketeering charges” ~ Def. Attorney Ed Jacobs, Jr.
"Meanwhile, I got the uncle who wants me out of the way.... Great family, aren't they? This is what it's all about." ~Louis "Bent-Finger Louie" Monacello
"It was a wholesale annihilation.... How many times do they want to be beat? Because I'm frankly getting tired of it. They went fishing for Joe Ligambi, and the jury gave them Gary Battaglini.” ~ Def Atty Christopher Warren
Looks like this was once a good thread. But I will say one thing, Stanfa never had a Florida crew, all the names mentioned in this thread as being a part of it were actually Bruno era guys who were operating in Florida while Stanfa was still a gopher. Some like Idone & a few others operated throughout the Scarfo era, and most were indicted by the early 90's.
maybe it is far fetched but remember guys this is philly mob everything is crazy
plus Dave Schratwieser, it says helped write this article he is very knowledgeable about philly mob
I don't question Scott or GR's reporting. I'm just questioning some of the details in this story. For example:
"Borgesi, according to these sources, is getting support from a stable of “hardened, street-corner toughs,” non-made guys tied to labor unions, establishing his own powerbase outside of South Philly"
How the hell did Borgesi do all this in 2 years, after being in prison for 14 years, after seemingly being shut out of the family?
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
true i agree with you it does sound far fetched. Borgesi maybe his brother anthony had set up connections or maybe its guys geogre knew from when he had been on the streets i admit the labour union bit defo sounds far fetched but you never know
Not connected with scott or anyone at gangsterreport
Just seems like a rehash of one of his old articles in which the same thing was stated.
He mentioned the making ceremony and the info about the guy being made to appease narducci and was a relative?
yeah he reported a lot of the stuff before but it links together.
I dont know, I appreciate his articles, there isnt much out for Philly especially since GA doenst do much anymore
What is so unbelievable for those of you saying it is far fetched?
People being made? It was on the tapes that there were some awaiting until Merlino got out since Ligambi didnt know them well enough
The co consig/panel stuff to appease Narducci?
The stuff about Borghesi not kicking up and putting together a crew of associates to make money on his own? Its been known he has been unhappy and pissed since he got out and his rackets were all taken over
Joey Merlino-George Borgesi, interesting but I don't believe it ..
The Philadelphia mob infused its’ ranks with some new blood recently, per exclusive Gangster Report sources on the ground in Pennsylvania, as 53-year old Florida-based Godfather Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino is alleged to have conducted a making ceremony on one of his several trips back to the City of Brotherly Love following his being let off parole restrictions in the spring. According to these sources, at least three wiseguys, possibly more, received their buttons, at least one of those inductees coming from a non-Merlino faction of the crime family, specifically, reputed capo Phil Narducci’s camp, as a “conciliatory gesture.”
Narducci, also 53, and Skinny Joey don’t like each other, however, per one source, are “quietly co-existing” using Merlino’s acting boss and second- in-command Steven (Handsome Stevie) Mazzone, who Narducci gets along with and respects, as a “buffer.” Even though the are the exact same age, Narducci and Merlino represent different eras in the city’s mob history, as well as two of at least four emerging subgroups currently operating in the fractured-yet-still-churning-and-burning Philly mafia.
The source, intimately familiar with a number of the fragile Family’s cliques, claims the making ceremony took place in late August or early September at a residence in South Philly and was the first Skinny Joey has held since his release from prison almost five years ago. Word on the street is that one of the new Men of Honor is somehow related by blood or by marriage to Narducci, said the source. It’s unclear if Narducci attended the ceremony.
The forever-suave and magnetic Merlino spent the summer and early fall traveling back and forth between Boca Raton, South Philly and the Jersey Shore, with a portion of his trips to Pennsylvania being used, per sources, attempting to mediate a festering beef between his former underboss Marty Angelina and his former consigliere George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi, both childhood friends of his, and ease tensions amongst certain syndicate members related to his own lead-from-afar ways. Borgesi and Angelina are said to be feuding over Angelina’s alleged siege on Borgesi’s rackets while Georgie Boy served time in prison and Borgesi reportedly requested permission to kill him as punishment. Per multiple sources close to the situation, Skinny Joey is being pressured by some “key” subordinates to spend more time in Philadelphia overseeing his mob family and less time living the highlife in Florida as a restauranteur eagerly glad-handing with the public.
All three of them – Borgesi, Angelina and Merlino – were convicted together in a wide-reaching RICO case in 2001, which brought down the entire sitting Philly mob administration. Angelina was busted in another racketeering case in the years that followed. Skinny Joey walked out of prison in 2011 and relocated to sunny Florida, where, according to the FBI, he’s been heading the powder keg of the Philadelphia mafia via a series of intermediaries. Borgesi, who was arrested in the same subsequent RICO that ensnared his buddy-turned-rival Angelina, but had a pair of trials end in hung juries, finally got out of the can in early 2014 and just recently got “off paper,” allowing him to meet freely with his gangster pals.
Entering the 2015 holiday season, the Philly mob is broken off into several distinct wings, per sources, splitting into four separate factions representing two different eras in the syndicate’s history: The Merlino Era of the 1990s, with one faction backing Skinny Joey himself and the other standing behind Borgesi and the “Little Nicky” Scarfo Era of the 1980s, with Narducci heading one side of the Reagan White House button men and Joseph (Joey Pung) Pungitore leading the other.
In the FBI’s opinion, Merlino, made into the mob in 1992 and the son of Scarfo’s underboss Salvatore (Chuckie) Merlino, remains the official boss of the Philadelphia mafia today (a job he’s maintained in one capacity or another for the last 20 years or so). Handsome Stevie Mazzone serves as Merlino’s “boss on the ground and day-to-day caretaker,” sources within Philly law enforcement say, with John (Johnny Chang) Ciancaglini filling Merlino’s underboss role and Johnny Chang’s dad, Joseph (Chickie) Ciancaglini, Sr. and Borgesi’s uncle, Joseph (Uncle Joe) Ligambi, – Merlino’s street boss when he was away at college from 2000-2011 -, acting as twin advisors and dual consiglieres.
Chickie Ciancaglini came out of prison after three decades last year and is officially the Family’s No. 2, but it’s a designation more ceremonial in nature, per this source. Ligambi was caught on federal audio surveillance in 2010 telling mobsters from New York that there were three guys he didn’t want to make because he didn’t know them well enough and was going to let Merlino do it when he came home from the big house – speculation is that the 2015 ceremony was for that purpose.
Narducci and Pungitore, both of whom got sprung from two-decade bids behind bars in the past few years and are second-generation Goodfellas, are considered capos loosely affiliated with the traditional Philly mob led by Merlino and his crew of staunch loyalists, which used to include Borgesi, but apparently doesn’t any longer. Sources say Narducci and Pungitore each pass “an envelope” to Mazzone or Mazzone’s people on a monthly basis and Narducci has “a lot of young guys” lining up in his corner. Borgesi, according to these sources, is getting support from a stable of “hardened, street-corner toughs,” non-made guys tied to labor unions, establishing his own powerbase outside of South Philly and apparently not kicking up any tribute to Merlino or Mazzone.
*FoxPhilly’s award-winning investigative reporter Dave Schratwieser, a go-to Philly mob pundit for years, was consulted for portions of this article
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon.
Factions doesn't mean separate families, it means the guys under a certain guy, are more loyal to him, then the admin, or current boss.
And Phil Narducci doesn't respect Merlino, cause there the same age, and Narducci was blowing guys heads off in the street, while Merlino was getting in bar fights and hiding behind his dads name.
And Phil Narducci doesn't respect Merlino, cause there the same age, and Narducci was blowing guys heads off in the street, while Merlino was getting in bar fights and hiding behind his dads name.
Narducci had to go the extra mile at an early age to prove his loyalty after his father's betrayal. Merlino was in a full-scale war with Stanfa and the Turras before he eventually took over the family. You would think maybe someone would mention that to Narducci. Or maybe he'll watch a couple Philly Mob docs on YouTube like the rest of us. lol
I don't think Narducci has to be told that Merlino barely escaped a mob war with his life thanks to his main opposition going to prison on racketeering charges. And the Turras situation was by no means a "war".
I don't necessarily disbelieve what Scott is writing, it just all seems like things he's said before. We heard in one of his old articles about guys being made, and one of them was made to appease Narducci as the guy was under him. We've heard about Borgesi and him being on the outs, but this is the first time we've heard about this crew of his. And it's possible to get tied in like that after two years of prison, others have done it, Natale for example. Guys connections don't just dry up because they went to the can, some of those connections are still there evene after they come home. We've heard about Joe Pung and all of that, if this stuff is all true, it's mindboggling to me how no one has been killed or shot at yet with all these factions being at each others necks.
In unrelated news...Cowboy George Martorano has a youtube channel discussing his experiences in prison.
Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon.
Factions doesn't mean separate families, it means the guys under a certain guy, are more loyal to him, then the admin, or current boss.
Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon.
True Sonny" but something is weird !! I know Philly and they are not the norm.
But I said this many times way way before any of this was posted .
There is a chance that there is a couple heads of there family/crews .
It is not the way it was ,I have no FBI reports or news paper articles ,but I know most of the people around and true I do not have the first hand news in Philly like I did but trust me it's not right ...
Though as stated I am surprised that such a small family could be SO splintered.
Interesting to see how it'll resolve itself.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon.
6 crews by my count: Licata's north jersey crew, staino's south jersey crew, 2 philly crews (Angelina's and Lancelotti's), and two Scarfo crews. Are they both also based in philly?
And it would be pretty week factions if they started there own families. Only one faction has any real number of made men. Borgesi has none behind him, there are like 2 made men working for Pung's faction and Narducci has 3/4. That leaves about 30 guys that are behind Merlino. It's less factions vying for power and more like 3 key guys concerned about their position since recent developments (Merlino free to run the family, the trial, guys being released, etc.). Narducci's and Pung's beefs seemed to be mostly personal. If Borgesi isn't kicking up, then he would definitely being operating his own faction and he probably has the smallest crew.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
true i agree with you it does sound far fetched. Borgesi maybe his brother anthony had set up connections or maybe its guys geogre knew from when he had been on the streets i admit the labour union bit defo sounds far fetched but you never know
Yeah it's the union part that has me so skeptical. Borgesi was never into the unions and is a bit of a maniac. How did he gain access to unions after 14 years in prison when the philly fam has been shutout of that racket for 20 years?
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Ted, I think you may be reading this in the wrong context. It's much more plausible to think a couple of guys George is lending money to are pilled out union workers who bought too many percs during the week on the arm. He probably also has a couple guys he's who are runners and work for the unions. It's probably where he's trying to get players for his book.
I can tell you with strong certainty that no one in philly family is running labor racketeering like you would normally associate the 2. The union officials here are largely Irish, not that they don't play, but they have higher aspirations than to get jammed up on the small residential/light commercial projects any of the south philly guys would be involved in.
The larger union jobs in the city, if they are corrupted, it's for their own personal gain, not to help LCN.
Very unlikely George involved in any labor influence with exception of the above offered by NickyWhip. Now onto the not kicking up, I could see Joey/ Stevie allowing George to do his own thing with the scraps they've thrown. Just in an attempt to keep him appeased. But knowing George, he's not going to be happy with this arrangement and at some point offer resistance. It would be interesting to know who he's hanging with these days. Anyone know?
And I will add, with respect to Scott's article, he has a few things that are consistent with what neighborhood people say: Narducci has really aggravated a lot of people with his entitlement ( we heard this in he past) And soneone told me "George hates everyone right now". But, what the fuck does that mean??
I'm not surprised these guys are getting along right now. Let football die down and march madness come and go. Then see what happens. See, who, if anyone is spotted in Boca this winter. It could end a lot of speculation.
I also don't think it's wise to compare factions in terms of "bodies dropped", even though I like the idea of keeping stats on these guys like RBI, yards per carry, etc. they are all capable, experienced, and smart when it comes to that stuff.
Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon.
6 crews by my count: Licata's north jersey crew, staino's south jersey crew, 2 philly crews (Angelina's and Lancelotti's), and two Scarfo crews. Are they both also based in philly?
And it would be pretty week factions if they started there own families. Only one faction has any real number of made men. Borgesi has none behind him, there are like 2 made men working for Pung's faction and Narducci has 3/4. That leaves about 30 guys that are behind Merlino. It's less factions vying for power and more like 3 key guys concerned about their position since recent developments (Merlino free to run the family, the trial, guys being released, etc.). Narducci's and Pung's beefs seemed to be mostly personal. If Borgesi isn't kicking up, then he would definitely being operating his own faction and he probably has the smallest crew.
Good summation Ted.
Appreciate the clarification.
Cheers.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
Ted, I think you may be reading this in the wrong context. It's much more plausible to think a couple of guys George is lending money to are pilled out union workers who bought too many percs during the week on the arm. He probably also has a couple guys he's who are runners and work for the unions. It's probably where he's trying to get players for his book.
If a mobster is lending money to union members and handling their action, can't that easily lead to labor racketeering? Or wouldn't it if LE didn't step in?
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Maybe I should have said that the statement in the article, although Scott Did NOT write it this way, can be open for interpretation that ether: George is surrounding himself with union thugs, and is gonna corrupt them OR: a couple of guys George hangs out with are in the union.
I choose to believe the latter. You brought up labor racketeering. I'm not sure if a convicted mobster taking action from some blue collar guys constitutes racketeering. If so, is it because he's a mobster? Because there is gambling? Or both? Without George, gambling happens all day every day on jobs. For example, the paycheck lottery, football pools, etc. there's fights, drug dealing, all kinds of nonsense.
I would hesitate to believe that borgesi, or anyone from philly is infiltrating these unions here. I am very close with someone who is in a very high position in the union. He flat out told me that they have a lot of mob corruption in north jersey but none down in philly or south jersey, for this particular trade. And he was pretty confident that other trades were clean too; at least down here. He would know, you just have to take my word on that.
Look at the iron workers case recently with Dougherty. No mob connection whatsoever.
I took a long path to explain why I think the statement can mean both ends of the spectrum. Based on what I know and see, I choose to believe George has friends who have union day jobs and do things with him, outside of their day job. If anything, they are getting book/shy clients. Not infiltrating the union. No union president or delegate currently in any position of power is gonna get jammed up on something major down here. They've been around too long. And these union guys down here have been fighting to survive for years. Most of them don't know or care about any gangsters. It's just another person they gotta prevent from stealing from their retirement.
Whip right on as usual .The unions down here are 30% of what they were just 15 years ago. This has trickled down to the working guy to the point the most guys that are 55 that worked the 90's and 2000's are now out and retired.(all most forced out)
They have left due to new contracts and government guidelines and outside pressure and the economy.
The guy now will have to work 35 years to get a twenty year annuity.The work is just not there.
This has forced thousands of union guys out" to get a other income" and i am sure many has gone to the mob , but the the guys that have gone there are not you high ranking members they are the work force . (the regular Joe)
So if Georgie has union guys it's everything on the fringes from food truck to sports betting ...
I don't think he is infiltrating unions like the 80's
I choose to believe the latter. You brought up labor racketeering. I'm not sure if a convicted mobster taking action from some blue collar guys constitutes racketeering. If so, is it because he's a mobster? Because there is gambling? Or both? Without George, gambling happens all day every day on jobs. For example, the paycheck lottery, football pools, etc. there's fights, drug dealing, all kinds of nonsense.
What I meant was that if Borgesi knows and does some business with a bunch of union guys couldn't it eventually lead to labor racketeering? You and Serp answered that question anyways. Thanks.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Gambling and loansharking is one way that the mob has fleeced union members over the years. Though not labor racketeering in itself, theoretically those connections and interactions could lead to forms of labor racketeering like no show jobs and what not.
But it's true about labor racketeering involving the Philadelphia family being virtually non-existent. And the few cases I'm aware of have been very minor, ie a member of IBT Local 107 barred for associating with an LCN member, Ligambi getting health and welfare benefits from the IBT through his no show job at Top Job Disposal, etc.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Out of the main merlino guys, Stevie, Georgie, lance, Marty, nicodemo, and wagners, and whoever I left off, who are the real tough guys that can dish out a beating with there hands or any one know real stories that happen, I'm so curious because these guys always resort to killing and it makes me think they can't fight with there hands, anyone know any stories? Much appreciated
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
I think George is working there and slowly gaining a following, a lot of people probably join his group considering he was forever in the merlino top 3, if you want my guess I bet he is the real killer out of them and I don't think merlino or mazzone would even bother messing with him, he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: JoeSlim]
#868114 11/28/1501:35 AM11/28/1501:35 AM
Out of the main merlino guys, Stevie, Georgie, lance, Marty, nicodemo, and wagners, and whoever I left off, who are the real tough guys that can dish out a beating with there hands or any one know real stories that happen, I'm so curious because these guys always resort to killing and it makes me think they can't fight with there hands, anyone know any stories? Much appreciated
In a fight I wouldn't bet against a man who has killed and has no remorse over it.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: JoeSlim]
#868115 11/28/1501:36 AM11/28/1501:36 AM
The posters over at RD strongly disagree with the report that Narducci and Pung are kicking up and that they are in any way on good terms with the Philly family.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
All this talk of separate crews or heads of crews ect. are classic Philly.
It was not till A. Bruno & Nick sr. tried to bring a regular LCM structure to Philly and the tri state.
Then Nick sr. tried it " it has not worked. something like my father and grand dad told me the tri state has always been separate families or crews with there own head of the families.
I don't know how else to say it but maybe it is what it was and they don't want a war like when Nick sr . pulled it all together it cots lives and put many in the joint.
It just could be the way it always was !!!!! And we are looking into it way to much ..
But it's true about labor racketeering involving the Philadelphia family being virtually non-existent. And the few cases I'm aware of have been very minor, ie a member of IBT Local 107 barred for associating with an LCN member, Ligambi getting health and welfare benefits from the IBT through his no show job at Top Job Disposal, etc.
Lou Fazzini also has/had a no show job at a disposal company. Johnny Chang owns a legitimate construction company.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: Ted]
#868276 11/29/1503:51 PM11/29/1503:51 PM
But it's true about labor racketeering involving the Philadelphia family being virtually non-existent. And the few cases I'm aware of have been very minor, ie a member of IBT Local 107 barred for associating with an LCN member, Ligambi getting health and welfare benefits from the IBT through his no show job at Top Job Disposal, etc.
Lou Fazzini also has/had a no show job at a disposal company. Johnny Chang owns a legitimate construction company.
Ted- lou is still just a soldier in Scoops crew corrct? Thought I read somewhere he was acting capo for a little stretch cant recall where but Scoops was still the official skipper?
Where does their Newark/Scoops crew fit in with all these separate factions? I know its not 1978 anymore and that crew doesnt have the power or reach it had then and I know they're like 4th conservatively in the NJ pecking order behind NY/decavs but I would think they're backing of one of the philly factions means something no? Imo theyre in the Mazzone/merlino camp, is that accurate?
"No, no, you aint alrite Spyder you got alotta fuckin problems"
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: Ted]
#868311 11/29/1508:39 PM11/29/1508:39 PM
Out of the main merlino guys, Stevie, Georgie, lance, Marty, nicodemo, and wagners, and whoever I left off, who are the real tough guys that can dish out a beating with there hands or any one know real stories that happen, I'm so curious because these guys always resort to killing and it makes me think they can't fight with there hands, anyone know any stories? Much appreciated
In a fight I wouldn't bet against a man who has killed and has no remorse over it.
Ted
Your right on that one!!
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: Ted]
#868312 11/29/1508:40 PM11/29/1508:40 PM
he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.
There is one picture of Borgesi leaving the courthouse after his acquittal.
Yea I seen that one I mean something more recent now that he's been out and I'm sure feeling good and back on his feet, where's HANDSOME STEVIE when ya need him Lolllol
Thanks for replying
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
Ted- lou is still just a soldier in Scoops crew corrct? Thought I read somewhere he was acting capo for a little stretch cant recall where but Scoops was still the official skipper?
Where does their Newark/Scoops crew fit in with all these separate factions? I know its not 1978 anymore and that crew doesnt have the power or reach it had then and I know they're like 4th conservatively in the NJ pecking order behind NY/decavs but I would think they're backing of one of the philly factions means something no? Imo theyre in the Mazzone/merlino camp, is that accurate?
Licata has been with Merlino since he became boss. Fazzini is his top soldier I think, but other posters would know more about that.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: JoeSlim]
#868344 11/30/1502:44 AM11/30/1502:44 AM
he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.
There is one picture of Borgesi leaving the courthouse after his acquittal.
Yea I seen that one I mean something more recent now that he's been out and I'm sure feeling good and back on his feet, where's HANDSOME STEVIE when ya need him Lolllol
Thanks for replying
LOL sorry buddy nothing recent except the ones from when he was first released but Tuesday when I am off I will search around for one.
fazzini has been his top soldier for years and from what i read will probably take over once licta retires. Other crew members joey grande joey "joey eletric" servigo (got made in 2011 i think ) Vincent "Beeps" Centorino and nick "nicky O" Olveri
Not connected with scott or anyone at gangsterreport
Sorry for the confusion
Re: All Things Philly
[Re: Ted]
#868391 11/30/1501:41 PM11/30/1501:41 PM
he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.
There is one picture of Borgesi leaving the courthouse after his acquittal.
I saw Borgesi going about his businesses this past spring, and he looked good compared to the picture he takes, it was my first time ever seeing him. He was still carrying around his prison muscles too.
he was still wealthy than most i would not mind being worth a mil in real estate and thats not saying what he had on the street aswell he was a top soldier could have had earning well
Not connected with scott or anyone at gangsterreport
he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.
There is one picture of Borgesi leaving the courthouse after his acquittal.
Yea I seen that one I mean something more recent now that he's been out and I'm sure feeling good and back on his feet, where's HANDSOME STEVIE when ya need him Lolllol
Thanks for replying
LOL sorry buddy nothing recent except the ones from when he was first released but Tuesday when I am off I will search around for one.
Thanks buddy, Borgesi is the most interesting outta these guys cause he's so low key n doesn't look like he's hanging with his friends according to burnstein, and again to me he is a sickfuck prolly plotting how he's gonna get Lou M lol
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.
There is one picture of Borgesi leaving the courthouse after his acquittal.
I saw Borgesi going about his businesses this past spring, and he looked good compared to the picture he takes, it was my first time ever seeing him. He was still carrying around his prison muscles too.
Yeah you would have to think that prison photo wasn't to good for the guys modeling career lol but now that he's been out eating good food and I'm sure enjoying life he prolly looks good for his age like the rest of the crew..they did too much time in the joint for them prison muscles just to disappear , fuck 14 calendars is rough !!
"You treat me good I treat you better, you treat my bad I treat you worse" #respect
