how many five family bosses, underbosses, consiglieres, and/or captains have turned states evidence against their former comrades and ratted them out in court?

damn nobody has any answers?

66 (including soldiers)

You forgot Sammy Gravano and Joe Valachi. So, the correct answer is 68.

i have them both counted, it is still 66 (including soldiers).

Not as many as people think. How many made guys in last 60 years? Tens of thousands?

More members don't rat than do. That should be a big indicator of who's stronger

While I have a feeling this is a baiting question so you can go on another rant about quality over quantity in regards to Chicago, I'll answer it.


Genovese
Renaldi “Ray” Ruggiero/Capo
Felix Tranghese/Capo


Gambino
Michael "Mikey Scars" DiLeonardo/Captain
Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano/Underboss


Lucchese
Alphonse "Little Al" D'Arco/Acting Boss
Peter "Fat Pete" Chiodo/Capo
Anthony "Tumac" Accetturo/Capo
Anthony "Gas Pipe" Casso/UnderBoss
Joseph "Little Joe/Joe D" Defede/Acting Boss


Colombo
Greg “The Grim Reaper” Scarpa Sr/Capo
Michael "Mikey" Franzese/Acting Capo
Carmine Sessa/Consigliere
Salvatore "Big Sal" Miciotta/Acting Capo
John Pate/Capo
Dino “Big Dino” Calabro/Capo
Reynold "Ren" Maragni/Capo
Anthony Russo/Acting Capo
Paul “Paulie Guns” Bevacqua/Acting Capo


Bonanno
Joseph "Jersey Joe" Bonanno/Acting Capo
Richard "Shellackhead" Cantarella/Acting UnderBoss
Dominick Cicale/Acting Capo
Frank Coppa/Capo
Frank "Curly" Lino/Capo
Joseph "Big Joey/The Ear" Massino/Boss
Nicholas “P.J” Pisciotti/Acting Capo
James "Jimmy Tag/Big Lou" Tartaglione/Capo
Salvatore "The Chief" Vitale/UnderBoss

Michael Franzese never ratted

In addition to testifying against Norby Walters, a business partner of his father, Franzese also testified before Congress about the mob's involvement in the gas tax scam.

i guess that depends on your definition of "ratting". he certainly didn't wear a wire and directly record other made men discussing/planning criminal activities, but he did give away info on a few shady associates, as well as spill the beans on the whole gas tax operation. that certainly seems to qualify as breaking omerta, so i think the label of a "rat" is justified in his case.

that's alot of snitches....no wonder everybody rats

if you were made by a rat then why not rat?

whose gonna stand tall in this day and age when the boss is snitching

Like I said before, all omerta means today is, "How much time will it knock off my sentence?"

But not "everybody" rats. Even today, far more guys don't rat then do. The rats just get all the attention.

cafaro..genovese crew

Cafaro was a soldier. He was only asking for captains or above.

So basically Franzese is still alive thanks to his father?

the new york mafia has been ratting for decades

it ain't good when ranking members of an organization are ratting

it tells new recruits that if all else fails....just rat like the boss

Felix Tranghese was never capo. This I know to be fact

Apparently, 2 very high ranking members of the Outfit have been informants for the FBI for the last 20-25 years. So it's not just a NY thing.

But the main point is that, despite however many rats there are, NY actually has a consistent supply of new recruits. Chicago and the other remaining small families elsewhere, not so much.

"The superseding indictment unsealed today charges TRANGHESE, an alleged capo..."

http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2010/nyfo072310a.htm

more like a consistant supply of new rats

one family had 2 acting bosses & 1 underboss that turned informant

who the fuck would wanna join that mob?

Enough guys that those NY families will still be around long after the Outfit is gone. That's what you don't seem to take into consideration. The Outfit can have quality guys but if they aren't getting replaced, it's going to die out. I've said it a million times. General attrition has effected the LCN far more than all the rats and feds combined.

Very true. Good point IL.

how powerful could new york be if they're a bunch of taddle tales?

the boss pricked my finger while wearing a recording device

the boss told me to kill and then called the authorities on me

NY >>>>>>>>>> Chi

You keep making these stupid, generalized statements that don't really apply. I realize your feelings have been hurt regarding the Chicago mob but you need to move on.

this thread has nothing to do with the windy city

the big apple's mafia families taddle on each other

the big apple's mafia families commission was led by a rat (massino)

the boss/underboss/consigliere/captain (new york) sits on the witness stand and points his finger at people to identify them in open court

i read somewhere once that he gave up some russians or israeli gangsters.

You can say it has nothing to do with Chicago but it's obvious you keep harping on this issue because you're obsessed with the relative comparisons between the NY families and the Outfit.

Regardless of how much quality or discipline the Outfit may have, it doesn't have what even the most reckless NY family has - and that's a significant enough recruiting pool to stave off general attrition for as long as possible. That's why even the Colombos will outlast the Chicago mob. That's what you don't take into consideration or at least seem to ignore.