Glad to see an end to that ramble, all good discussion though and I like Blackmafia's last post, it highlights the basics well, peace.

I farely doubt that they control 80% of the cocaine trade in Europe, maybe South, but all the North side is practically supplied by Russian groups.

In Western Europe Russian groups actually control very little of the drug trade. Arms trafficking, prostitution,...yeah they have a fair share in that but in the drugs business a lot of groups are far more powerful than the Russians in Western Europe.

the # very well might be a bit high, but its extremely hard to gauge anyways seeing how there is just so much coke flooding europe these days, they might even surpass the US market soon, but ts fair to say that the calabrians bring in the majority. what people often fail to realize however, is that once they bring in these huge shipments, they get distributed to other groups who then take it from there and distibute it locally, like the many eastern european groups.

the calabrians themselves don't seem to be heavily involved themselves in the street level distribution, the camorra seem to be the only italian group involved in that. my point is, that when discussing the 80%, that just refers to who initially imported the coke, at least thats how i've always looked at it. after that its distributed hundreds of different ways.

By that, are you saying the Calabrian Mafia are the one's who decide the prices and quality of the cocaine before it is distributed to smaller organized crime groups throughout Europe?

in italy yes, sometimes among with camorra and the sicilians, althoug calabrians run more markets
in europe i don't think so
i don't think calabrians run 80% of coke import, coz it's this they mean since nobody run so much of distributions and street levels, they mean the importation calabrians are mostly intermediators not pusher on the streets
they are the biggest single importer, but this 80 is just bullshit

Actually I think they mean that The Ndrangheta control 80% or probably a bit less of the cocaine imports but that's it, from once it's touched surface in the country, the smaller local organized crime groups take it on and do with it what they please. So yeah no street level stuff, just importing and that's it. That's probably what makes them so rich and secretive, because it's not much action on the streets, just money without doing any of the dirty work in the select country.

in some places the calabrians run also the distribution and street level stuff directly like in milan turin and other northern italian cities
in some areas in germany, switzerland and a couple other countries

You all guys need to read this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/euro...a-a-806233.html


Vincenzo pays €1,200 for a kilo of cocaine in Venezuela or Peru, but by the time it reaches Calabria it has already cost him €17,000. "Most of that goes toward bribing officials," he says. By the time it ends up on the wholesale market, the kilo of uncut cocaine will cost €27,000 to €32,000

Antonio says that he is a friend of Vincenzo. The rules for doing business with the South Americans are clear, he says: "We always pay in advance, and if they don't deliver, we kill them."

"Our customers in Germany are mostly pimps and a large biker gang," says Carlo. "We deliver in units of 50 to 70 kilograms (110 to 154 pounds), often to brothels." He says that he doesn't know what happens to the cocaine there. The 'Ndrangheta are careful not to take risks by committing ordinary crimes. "We don't deal drugs on German streets," says Carlo.