the biggest nigerian community in europe is in london, about 100.000, but they are just some juvenile gangs with some 'madama' running baby prostitutes, sometimes mules taking ovule's cocaine
and that's the city where they should be at their most
maybe they control sometimes some little shipments (if they have enough money) or they are middleman, maybe not
but they don't dominate any area in europe like blackfamily claims

I agree with you as far as drug trade and prostitution. Yet we all know that fraud is their bread and butter and I think it's diffucult to, unless you have some sources that proves differ, can be shaken down for doing different scams on/off.

"i live in europe and i never heard they dominate cocaine"

Have you ever lived in Switzerland? I referred to an Switzerland article that stated " West African gangs "dominate" cocaine trade."

"nigerians have not enough money to run drug at highest level"

There's around 50 tons of cocaine that goes to Europe that is smuggled from West Africa. Those routes are mostly operated by Nigerians. They don't smuggle a ton per shipment but prefer numerous small quantities to evade law enforcement.

"in italy the nigerian gangs are little and weak, puppets of italian oc"

Again? Show me the articles/sources that proves those SPECIFIC description of those two crime groups relationship. After all nigerian groups are typically small freelance groups whose specialize in fraud of millions of dollars.

"they are nothing compared to ndrangheta in europe"

True,can't compare them to Ndrangheta. But i wasn't doing comparison at all.

By the way, nigerian population is 174,000-U.K and 53,613-Italy.

heres a ausio talk about nigerian oc. its only the intro because you have to pay for the rest.
http://hstalks.com/main/view_talk.php?t=1034&r=384&j=768&c=250

i dont think they were drug dealers ivy, unless this was another incident. It was some civilians they shot i believe.

the fact a swiss article says that it means nothing and probably they talked about switzerland only where nigerians are not even present
they were talking of 'west africans' in general at most that include several etnich groups, not nigerians only, as a growing reputed and potential threat
but i doubt they run something significant in switzerland, but believe what you want..



nigerians control the shipments that pass through nigeria maybe, not all the shipments passing through central africa
most are run by bigger groups that needn't any nigerian intermediation



in italy nigerians are very weak, just small gangs at most and puppets of local oc
i know they are mostly in turin and genoa, but even there they are nothing compared to italian oc
and i needn't any specific article to proof it
just look at italian news and you understand by yourself

i think youre right, they were killed coz some shopkeepers refused to pay extortions
camorra asked more and they refused to pay, thats coz they were killed they were not nigerians they were from different african countries
that's a sort of hub for african immigrants going to europe
but there are not independent drug dealers over there, they all work for the camorra
if camorra has to kill an indipendent pusher he just disappears in a block of cement

In Italy the indigenous organized crime culture is so big that any other foreign crew will have two choices:
1. Work with and most often FOR an Italian gang.
2. Getting completely wiped out.
Albanians taking over? Nigerians taking over? Moroccans? Chinese? In Italy?
Nothing but a cloud of bullshit if you ask me

"the fact a swiss article says that it means nothing and probably they talked about switzerland only where nigerians are not even present
they were talking of 'west africans' in general at most that include several etnich groups, not nigerians only, as a growing reputed and potential threat
but i doubt they run something significant in switzerland, but believe what you want.."

You haven't answered my question. Have you lived in Switzerland? At first you said the article doesn't mean nothing yet made a doubtful comment at the end. West Africans in general includes nigerians, afterall nigeria is the largest country in that region, and in that article a spokesman for the Vaud cantonal police stated: "The Nigerians are very active and often at the head of the network. If not, people from Togo, Guinea and Guinea Bissau. Sometimes they are organised by clan or country of origin, but other times it's mixed." I'm not putting belief into this topic just research.

"nigerians control the shipments that pass through nigeria maybe, not all the shipments passing through central africa
most are run by bigger groups that needn't any nigerian intermediation"

Maybe. You mean precisely,it's Nigeria.Cocaine trade route hubs we're discussing is in West Africa not central.

"in italy nigerians are very weak, just small gangs at most and puppets of local oc
i know they are mostly in turin and genoa, but even there they are nothing compared to italian oc
and i needn't any specific article to proof it
just look at italian news and you understand by yourself"

Basically you don't have an article to back your claim/opinion. But you say watch the italian news, sure provide the link. You say they are small gangs, indeed nigerian groups aren't usaully large. You say they are "weak". Please explain to me your definition of weak. Activities? Manpower? Money? etc.

Your right to some degree. I have already said that they work with the Italian syndicates but others don't. They still operating and haven't meet their demise. Nigerians aren't known for "taking over", just freelance entrepreneurs.

have you lived in europe? where you live?
honestly pal, you have not any links that proof nigerians dominate some type of drugs in europe, except a swiss one lol
there are tons of articles that claim ndrangheta controls 80% of cocaine in europe, and that i think they hypes ndrangheta too much
thats' the same for that swiss article... nigerians are small players in europe, mules in mostly cases, they control nothing important
west africa is not only nigeria, it includes senegal, liberiam ghana and opther places and drugs pass through several ports
italian mafias have direct links with colombians, cells in latin america, cells in africa, they needn't nigerians transit ports in most of cases
in italy, again, the nigerian gangs are small, weak, they have not even guns, only italian oc have weapons in italy, you can't control streets withouth guns lol
not political connections, not tons of crime fields
some little prostitution racket at most, and they are forced to pay even for that

you're right there are nigerian criminal groups and terrorist groups linked with italian mafias, colombians and other groups
but were talking what nigerians really run in europe, almost nothing

i think it was over some drug dealers refusing to pay the wrong people ended up being targeted and then there was that big riot afterwards.

i don't think so if was some drug dealer refusing pay they would kill him not normal citizens
i think it's more a thing of extortion shops coz some african shopkeeprs refused to pay and they send a message to them

I think that obviously no other group in italy can really take on the local mafia groups, same could be said for foreign groups if they are in nigeria.
But you cant really call Nigerians small time, they practically invented the 419 scam and also involved heavily in drug trafficking, including importing and distributing heroin in the USA. Actually i think they have been mentioned more frequently in the US drug threat assessment reports than italian OC, which i think have only been mentioned once in the past few years.

just did a bit of reading, it was linked to drug dealing and turf.

i never said that nigerians are small time, i said they are moderate strong worldwide, especially in africa (west africa, libya, south african republic and other countries)
but in europe they are small time and weak, compared to several other groups, not only italians
were talking of europe here

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/tocta/West_Africa_TOCTA_2013_EN.pdf

Here is the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime report on the Cocaine Trade/other crimes in West Africa.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/octa_2011_1.pdf

The Europol Organised Crime Threat Assessment 2011 Report

M2W and LuanKuci, Within these reports you will find that Nigerian syndicates are mentioned to have significant networks from South America to Europe, and other illicit activities. For the last time, there are some Nigerian groups that work WITH/FOR Italian syndicates and others are independent groups.If you dismiss or disagree with the UNODC and EUROPOL factual reports then so be it. You can stick to your Opinions.

these reports talk too generic, they are not accurate
yeah nigerians are involved in drugs lol and what?
they don't control any specific european area and this links proof nothing
they just say that west africans are involved in drugs and trasport some drugs in europe, they dont even say how much and when and where
you start claiming they control 50% of cocaine and im still waiting something credible about it
some big shipments run by them and so

the first report say only that last year 18 tons of cocaine transit in west africans port (not nigeria only they are at least 15 countries) and that some west africans were arrested in european countries with little quantity of drugs
if this proofs that nigerians dominate cocaine lmao
i just type for curiosity 'nigerians drug ring busted' on google and i find very little or nothing in europe

LMAO too, at least your actually looking into it. Have you read the UNODC report thoroughly? It's proof that they are significant in europe's cocaine trade and for as "dominate", it was use in the swiss article to described the west african networks.
Next time, goggle "West African Gangs Dominate Cocaine Trade" and the article is from March 09.I couldn't post the link here.

they are mostly mules, again, i read the report
it never said they run shipments, it just says that about 18 tons of cocaine (10% of all) pass through west africa to europe a year
it doesn't mean west africans run all that drugs, they run only a small part of it
most of the biggest shipments leaving south america just transit through african ports but they are run by bigger oc groups

to expand on the entry points, i believe that a great deal of the drugs enter through ports in holland, particularly rotterdam. i believe spain in also a key entry point for drugs from south america, as well as the large amount of shitty hash from morocco

Sir, you have do realize that it mentioned that some of those shipments are organized by them and they use other west african and european nationals as mules? And that once those shipments make it to europe that they are distributed through their networks. Therefore if SOME networks are in south america buying the shipments then organized the shipment then transporting from South America to West Africa to Europe then into the rest of their networks, then they are the main operators.

ok nigerians dominate the world wide drugs all heroin, coke, md, hash and herbs, not only in europe but even in mexico
i heard theyre taking over el chapo over there

if youre so idiot to think nigerians or west africans are even close to ndrangheta in europe it's not my fault
look all the articles saying ndrangheta conrols 80% of cocaine in europe
im not a stupid fanboy like you and i think that's too high
you just hype nigerians although they are much smaller than you wish in europe

You can't compare 'Ndrangheta and Nigerians,end of story.

This is where I end our discussion since your now using insults.
1. I told you earlier in my post that I'm NOT doing any comparison and you CAN'T compare Nigerian syndicates to Ndrangheta. FACT.
2. I already read about Ndrangheta many times having control of the majority of Europe's cocaine trade before and some states 80% and others say 60%. Regardless of the estimates that means there are the majority but that mean the rest of the 20% or so is control by a variety of crime groups which includes the other major Italian syndicates, Albanians, Turks, Nigerains, and others.
3. You need to comprehend comments and reports better and stop being bias and bring sources to back your claims. You disagreed with me and showed no backbone for it.

It goes back to what i said earlier, I don't put belief into this topic just research. Peace.