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Re: All Things Philly
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11/24/15 04:01 PM
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maybe it is far fetched but remember guys this is philly mob everything is crazy
plus Dave Schratwieser, it says helped write this article he is very knowledgeable about philly mob I don't question Scott or GR's reporting. I'm just questioning some of the details in this story. For example: "Borgesi, according to these sources, is getting support from a stable of “hardened, street-corner toughs,” non-made guys tied to labor unions, establishing his own powerbase outside of South Philly" How the hell did Borgesi do all this in 2 years, after being in prison for 14 years, after seemingly being shut out of the family?
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/24/15 10:06 PM
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Just seems like a rehash of one of his old articles in which the same thing was stated. He mentioned the making ceremony and the info about the guy being made to appease narducci and was a relative? yeah he reported a lot of the stuff before but it links together. I dont know, I appreciate his articles, there isnt much out for Philly especially since GA doenst do much anymore What is so unbelievable for those of you saying it is far fetched? People being made? It was on the tapes that there were some awaiting until Merlino got out since Ligambi didnt know them well enough The co consig/panel stuff to appease Narducci? The stuff about Borghesi not kicking up and putting together a crew of associates to make money on his own? Its been known he has been unhappy and pissed since he got out and his rackets were all taken over Be specific....
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 01:08 AM
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Joey Merlino-George Borgesi, interesting but I don't believe it ..
The Philadelphia mob infused its’ ranks with some new blood recently, per exclusive Gangster Report sources on the ground in Pennsylvania, as 53-year old Florida-based Godfather Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino is alleged to have conducted a making ceremony on one of his several trips back to the City of Brotherly Love following his being let off parole restrictions in the spring. According to these sources, at least three wiseguys, possibly more, received their buttons, at least one of those inductees coming from a non-Merlino faction of the crime family, specifically, reputed capo Phil Narducci’s camp, as a “conciliatory gesture.”
Narducci, also 53, and Skinny Joey don’t like each other, however, per one source, are “quietly co-existing” using Merlino’s acting boss and second- in-command Steven (Handsome Stevie) Mazzone, who Narducci gets along with and respects, as a “buffer.” Even though the are the exact same age, Narducci and Merlino represent different eras in the city’s mob history, as well as two of at least four emerging subgroups currently operating in the fractured-yet-still-churning-and-burning Philly mafia.
The source, intimately familiar with a number of the fragile Family’s cliques, claims the making ceremony took place in late August or early September at a residence in South Philly and was the first Skinny Joey has held since his release from prison almost five years ago. Word on the street is that one of the new Men of Honor is somehow related by blood or by marriage to Narducci, said the source. It’s unclear if Narducci attended the ceremony.
The forever-suave and magnetic Merlino spent the summer and early fall traveling back and forth between Boca Raton, South Philly and the Jersey Shore, with a portion of his trips to Pennsylvania being used, per sources, attempting to mediate a festering beef between his former underboss Marty Angelina and his former consigliere George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi, both childhood friends of his, and ease tensions amongst certain syndicate members related to his own lead-from-afar ways. Borgesi and Angelina are said to be feuding over Angelina’s alleged siege on Borgesi’s rackets while Georgie Boy served time in prison and Borgesi reportedly requested permission to kill him as punishment. Per multiple sources close to the situation, Skinny Joey is being pressured by some “key” subordinates to spend more time in Philadelphia overseeing his mob family and less time living the highlife in Florida as a restauranteur eagerly glad-handing with the public.
All three of them – Borgesi, Angelina and Merlino – were convicted together in a wide-reaching RICO case in 2001, which brought down the entire sitting Philly mob administration. Angelina was busted in another racketeering case in the years that followed. Skinny Joey walked out of prison in 2011 and relocated to sunny Florida, where, according to the FBI, he’s been heading the powder keg of the Philadelphia mafia via a series of intermediaries. Borgesi, who was arrested in the same subsequent RICO that ensnared his buddy-turned-rival Angelina, but had a pair of trials end in hung juries, finally got out of the can in early 2014 and just recently got “off paper,” allowing him to meet freely with his gangster pals.
Entering the 2015 holiday season, the Philly mob is broken off into several distinct wings, per sources, splitting into four separate factions representing two different eras in the syndicate’s history: The Merlino Era of the 1990s, with one faction backing Skinny Joey himself and the other standing behind Borgesi and the “Little Nicky” Scarfo Era of the 1980s, with Narducci heading one side of the Reagan White House button men and Joseph (Joey Pung) Pungitore leading the other.
In the FBI’s opinion, Merlino, made into the mob in 1992 and the son of Scarfo’s underboss Salvatore (Chuckie) Merlino, remains the official boss of the Philadelphia mafia today (a job he’s maintained in one capacity or another for the last 20 years or so). Handsome Stevie Mazzone serves as Merlino’s “boss on the ground and day-to-day caretaker,” sources within Philly law enforcement say, with John (Johnny Chang) Ciancaglini filling Merlino’s underboss role and Johnny Chang’s dad, Joseph (Chickie) Ciancaglini, Sr. and Borgesi’s uncle, Joseph (Uncle Joe) Ligambi, – Merlino’s street boss when he was away at college from 2000-2011 -, acting as twin advisors and dual consiglieres.
Chickie Ciancaglini came out of prison after three decades last year and is officially the Family’s No. 2, but it’s a designation more ceremonial in nature, per this source. Ligambi was caught on federal audio surveillance in 2010 telling mobsters from New York that there were three guys he didn’t want to make because he didn’t know them well enough and was going to let Merlino do it when he came home from the big house – speculation is that the 2015 ceremony was for that purpose.
Narducci and Pungitore, both of whom got sprung from two-decade bids behind bars in the past few years and are second-generation Goodfellas, are considered capos loosely affiliated with the traditional Philly mob led by Merlino and his crew of staunch loyalists, which used to include Borgesi, but apparently doesn’t any longer. Sources say Narducci and Pungitore each pass “an envelope” to Mazzone or Mazzone’s people on a monthly basis and Narducci has “a lot of young guys” lining up in his corner. Borgesi, according to these sources, is getting support from a stable of “hardened, street-corner toughs,” non-made guys tied to labor unions, establishing his own powerbase outside of South Philly and apparently not kicking up any tribute to Merlino or Mazzone.
*FoxPhilly’s award-winning investigative reporter Dave Schratwieser, a go-to Philly mob pundit for years, was consulted for portions of this article
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 01:09 AM
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What's up guys I havent been on here posting in awhile, but I been still interested in Philly so I figure I post this, happy thanksgiving to all ...
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 01:12 AM
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Just realized you posted this, my bad
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 02:16 AM
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Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon. Factions doesn't mean separate families, it means the guys under a certain guy, are more loyal to him, then the admin, or current boss.
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 06:14 AM
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And Phil Narducci doesn't respect Merlino, cause there the same age, and Narducci was blowing guys heads off in the street, while Merlino was getting in bar fights and hiding behind his dads name. Narducci had to go the extra mile at an early age to prove his loyalty after his father's betrayal. Merlino was in a full-scale war with Stanfa and the Turras before he eventually took over the family. You would think maybe someone would mention that to Narducci. Or maybe he'll watch a couple Philly Mob docs on YouTube like the rest of us. lol
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 11:06 AM
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I don't think Narducci has to be told that Merlino barely escaped a mob war with his life thanks to his main opposition going to prison on racketeering charges. And the Turras situation was by no means a "war". I don't necessarily disbelieve what Scott is writing, it just all seems like things he's said before. We heard in one of his old articles about guys being made, and one of them was made to appease Narducci as the guy was under him. We've heard about Borgesi and him being on the outs, but this is the first time we've heard about this crew of his. And it's possible to get tied in like that after two years of prison, others have done it, Natale for example. Guys connections don't just dry up because they went to the can, some of those connections are still there evene after they come home. We've heard about Joe Pung and all of that, if this stuff is all true, it's mindboggling to me how no one has been killed or shot at yet with all these factions being at each others necks. In unrelated news...Cowboy George Martorano has a youtube channel discussing his experiences in prison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eshFCxKWFH4
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 03:28 PM
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Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon. Factions doesn't mean separate families, it means the guys under a certain guy, are more loyal to him, then the admin, or current boss. Yeah I think Sonny perceived it wrong. I think you explained it perfectly, 007
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/25/15 03:29 PM
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Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon. True Sonny" but something is weird !! I know Philly and they are not the norm. But I said this many times way way before any of this was posted . There is a chance that there is a couple heads of there family/crews . It is not the way it was ,I have no FBI reports or news paper articles ,but I know most of the people around and true I do not have the first hand news in Philly like I did but trust me it's not right ...
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/26/15 06:09 AM
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Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon. 6 crews by my count: Licata's north jersey crew, staino's south jersey crew, 2 philly crews (Angelina's and Lancelotti's), and two Scarfo crews. Are they both also based in philly? And it would be pretty week factions if they started there own families. Only one faction has any real number of made men. Borgesi has none behind him, there are like 2 made men working for Pung's faction and Narducci has 3/4. That leaves about 30 guys that are behind Merlino. It's less factions vying for power and more like 3 key guys concerned about their position since recent developments (Merlino free to run the family, the trial, guys being released, etc.). Narducci's and Pung's beefs seemed to be mostly personal. If Borgesi isn't kicking up, then he would definitely being operating his own faction and he probably has the smallest crew.
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Re: All Things Philly
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11/26/15 09:40 AM
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Ted, I think you may be reading this in the wrong context. It's much more plausible to think a couple of guys George is lending money to are pilled out union workers who bought too many percs during the week on the arm. He probably also has a couple guys he's who are runners and work for the unions. It's probably where he's trying to get players for his book.
I can tell you with strong certainty that no one in philly family is running labor racketeering like you would normally associate the 2. The union officials here are largely Irish, not that they don't play, but they have higher aspirations than to get jammed up on the small residential/light commercial projects any of the south philly guys would be involved in.
The larger union jobs in the city, if they are corrupted, it's for their own personal gain, not to help LCN.
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Re: All Things Philly
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And I will add, with respect to Scott's article, he has a few things that are consistent with what neighborhood people say: Narducci has really aggravated a lot of people with his entitlement ( we heard this in he past) And soneone told me "George hates everyone right now". But, what the fuck does that mean??
I'm not surprised these guys are getting along right now. Let football die down and march madness come and go. Then see what happens. See, who, if anyone is spotted in Boca this winter. It could end a lot of speculation.
I also don't think it's wise to compare factions in terms of "bodies dropped", even though I like the idea of keeping stats on these guys like RBI, yards per carry, etc. they are all capable, experienced, and smart when it comes to that stuff.
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Re: All Things Philly
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Personally I think it's doubtful the families split into FOUR factions. In a family of 40 buttons that's 10 guys a piece. That's capo level. Are all four of Phillis crews now their own small families? I highly doubt it.
I don't doubt there may be a dissatisfied faction within the family. But FOUR. Cmon. 6 crews by my count: Licata's north jersey crew, staino's south jersey crew, 2 philly crews (Angelina's and Lancelotti's), and two Scarfo crews. Are they both also based in philly? And it would be pretty week factions if they started there own families. Only one faction has any real number of made men. Borgesi has none behind him, there are like 2 made men working for Pung's faction and Narducci has 3/4. That leaves about 30 guys that are behind Merlino. It's less factions vying for power and more like 3 key guys concerned about their position since recent developments (Merlino free to run the family, the trial, guys being released, etc.). Narducci's and Pung's beefs seemed to be mostly personal. If Borgesi isn't kicking up, then he would definitely being operating his own faction and he probably has the smallest crew. Good summation Ted. Appreciate the clarification. Cheers.
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