yeah these trials are a crap shoot, you never know

you could make a compelling argument either way

besides the murder charge i think the feds need another guilty charge to make the murders stick..they need two counts.

what drugs was he dealing?where was he based out of?

Ivy, have you seen the indictment? It says Vernace is "a captain and a member of the family´s ruling panel". It doesn´t look like he was the consigliere. Any thoughts on that?

Hes from queens i think. And if i had to guess id say some smackaroo

Yeah from queens and a smart guess would be H

went and bought a new puter, anyone know where glasses is from. I guess queens cause capo fat andy's kid says he admitted it to him+ this whole gotti connection. but this guy bobby is sneaky why hasn't massino told the world he's a super killer, how come the papers don't know any of his brothers cousins kids sisters ect. if he was shooting people int the bar in the 80tys wheres was Sammy the bullshit. the guy might where a jumpsuit but lately I give his his trial, if tommy shots beats 6 bodies with 4 killers its nuts, anyone know what Guerra or thommy get yet?

how come jr gotti or peter didn't clip him all threw the 90tys I think I seen a pic in the pic.s of him and Charlie carnig and others.

I just looked at the indictment online. Most of it is gambling, with a lot of repeated things, like use of word 'Enterprise" I see no mention of a drug charge.

They also indicted them for illegal use of a firearm. It is tied to the murder, which seems like waste of time. If they are guilty of murder , why bother with extra charge, if not guilty, they get acquitted on gun charge anyway, I assume.


https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:fTcRRnrhXRAJ:www.justice.gov/opa/documents/1-20-2011-vernace.pdf+vernace+%2Bindcitment&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiAKNyBGvCTi3sAHUfgYU4QK1SKemOreon0aarkNZhm-oTZCkbXV7EG1xbFTKqlGfl00N6d788Sl8H3Tlqf46VGl1CmqRYp8qct4Dzv3K5S3AKocIklCnYI10dy8FElzMYhtmWv&sig=AHIEtbQro_PDSe0UWcbxC5176rNsnlgYvw

I read about the drug charge in Gangland but it was only mentioned once, the rest of the article was about the murder charge. I can't use your link for some reason but are you sure it's the current one because it says 20th January 2011

I was wondering the same thing after reading in articles and hearing gamms say he waas the official consig.

Vernace is a Queens guy who now lives in Suffern.

He came up under Jo Jo Corozzo and ran a numbers joint in and around Howard Beach. He had a partner for his numbers and they operated out of a bar (can't remember the bar or who his partner was). This indictment has him dealing H and loansharking. There are tapes that will be played at this trial for those two charges.

He was made in 1999 (maybe by Pete Gotti?) I don't know who sponsored him, but possibly Jo Jo or Little Nicky.

The reason he didn't get clipped is probably because the guys who were upset over this 1981 hit targeted Riccardi as the main culprit. He was known to have a temper and go off half-cocked. Vernace was brought in after the beef already happened. Why he fired the shot, who knows. I'm guessing the guys in charge saw him as a secondary character and not the one causing the beef. Plus, I'm sure he laid low after this.

He was never in the administration, just on a ruling panel after the top 3 guys were either in jail, on trial, or under supervised released. You can be on a panel without being in the administration.

If anyone else has questions about Vernace, send me a direct message.

didnt think that they were involved with heroin still, was it a significant amount?

He was reportedly made consigliere after that indictment came down.

Any amount of heroin is significant. Sale of one hit is a felony.

first witness patrick sullivans was up.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mob-...commentpostform

Linda Gotti NOT going to testify

feds sent her home

per capeci

She just wanted to get her monkeyface in the papers on tv n the internet what a dumb )))))

WTF? What happened Cheech? All that build up about a Gotti taking the stand and then nothing?

They either feel that she isn't credible or that they just don't need her. We'll know soon enough.

i dont think she was credible, said it a few days ago...but it could be they just do not need here

GC check your dm

i read the article it was more along the lines of that they felt they didnt need her after sullivans testimony, it was apparently pretty powerful. i guess shes just gonna say the same thing as he is considering they were both their when it happened. it might they dont want to muddy it up by bringing the gotti name into things. Im guessing they can still call her up if they want.

thats what they tell you, i never believe what im told

I love ya, Cheech. But if I ever find myself on trial, do me a favor and predict a guilty verdict. This was I have a shot .