And to argue that this goes against being Christian is absurd.

You and the other lefties here can take your pseudo-psychological babble, and your moral relativism, and cram it.

So it's okay to cherry-pick the parts of your faith that you want to follow and those you don't? I didn't know that...maybe I should convert back to Christianity.

Old Testament!



Who wrote that? There's no name on quote?

Classy.

So it's okay to cherry-pick the parts of your faith that you want to follow and those you don't? I didn't know that...maybe I should convert back to Christianity.

Classy.

I don't understand how people defend murderer's. The brain may not fully developed until you're 25 but that's no excuse to kill. Little kids know not to kill and he was 17, no excuse. The main reason this story makes me so mad is how he had a shirt saying killer and flicked off the victims families. How can you defend that?

I don't understand how people defend murderer's. The brain may not fully developed until you're 25 but that's no excuse to kill. Little kids know not to kill and he was 17, no excuse. The main reason this story makes me so mad is how he had a shirt saying killer and flicked off the victims families. How can you defend that?

If you actually understood Christianity, instead of misrepresenting it here, you wouldn't be talking about cherrypicking.

To go by your logic, any Christian should be against courts, jails, prisons, parole, etc. altogether. After all, shouldn't all the criminals be immediately forgiven and sent on their way? That's what you seem to be suggesting.

Again, Christians are required by their Savior to forgive their enemies. That's certainly true. But that doesn't remove the responsibility of society to mete out punishment. And it's not contradictory for people, including Christians, to want society to enforce that justice, while at the same time personally forgiving whoever may have offended them.

Thus ends the lesson for Christianity 101 today.

Your moral compass isn't just defective. It's non-existent.

Your moral compass isn't just defective. It's non-existent.

Why, because I seek to understand why people do the things they do? I don't condone or justify what he did. I believe he should be punished for what he did. But I'd also like to understand the "why." If that makes me morally defective in your eyes, then I am happy to be that. Although it is strange you question my moral compass when I'm the only one here not advocating MORE death.

I challenge you to go through my posts and find a single thing I said that suggests I believe this individual should be forgiven and sent on his way. You can't, so if you don't want me to misrepresent Christianity, then don't misrepresent what I am saying.

I am all for law and order. This person committed a heinous crime, and should be punished accordingly. All I suggested was that people should be so quick to jump to conclusions and call this person an "animal" when they have little to no knowledge as to what made him this way. He was sentenced to life in prison. He can't hurt any innocent people anymore.

Why, because I seek to understand why people do the things they do? I don't condone or justify what he did. I believe he should be punished for what he did. But I'd also like to understand the "why." If that makes me morally defective in your eyes, then I am happy to be that. Although it is strange you question my moral compass when I'm the only one here not advocating MORE death.

As for X and what he said, I understand his point. We have law and order for a reason. You can't degenerate into a lynch mob because what this man did is inexcusable. That's why we HAVE law and order, to prevent vigilantes and lynch mobs. I didn't read anywhere that X wanted him tucked into bed at night with his blanky and a warm glass of milk.

Through the efforts of psychologists and the efforts of the FBI's BAU and their studies into murderers, we have gained a greater understanding of the minds of killers. Not only can this (hopefully) help us to prevent a young and abused child from becoming a killer, but it also helps us catch those who are at large.

You keep bringing up what "caused" him to commit these crimes as if that's relevant to the punishment that should be meted out. He's a murderer who shows no remorse. What else do you need to know? And life of free room and board really isn't justice. He should be sent onto the next world.



I don't have a problem with your desire to know why he did it unless it leads to the usually inevitable desire to not see justice done. You say you believe he should be punished. But your idea of punishment isn't justice. It's not about advocating more death. Society demonstrates how serious a crime is by the punishment it metes out. When we allow a murderer to live, we're are minimizing the importance of the crime.



That's delusional, pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking. To say that we get anything significant from studying most of these murderers is ludicrous. Most of them simply go to prison, some of which eventually get released (a mockery of justice), and the rest simply live off the law abiding public for the rest of their useless lives. There's usually not even some kind of restorative justice program in place. They just spend their remaining years taking up space, watching TV, playing card, lifting weights, etc.

I would disagree with that Ivy. It's not black and white. There's more gray area when it comes to psychopaths. We have much to gain from studying them. The guys a fucking scumbag and insane, but to the point where he's not even rational. I could care less about whether or not the bastard was given the death penalty, kill him for all I care he'd deserve it. But someone like this, not even the prospect of death scares them. They are just an empty shell of madness. But that's why we need to figure out what causes shit like this, especially in a 17 year old boy.

Ivy, yes, all that wishful thinking created VICAP, which is the largest database of crimes and fingerprints which helps to actually, you know, solve crime. These criminals are studied for a reason. By helping investigators to understand them, they can help us to solve other crimes or to help stop sociopaths before they harm others. You can call it wishful thinking, but I call it results.

I have to shake my head at a lot of the comments made in this thread, especially by some of those who consider themselves "Christians." All I've read is "KILL HIM KILL HIM KILL HIM!!!" Clearly, many of you have never taken a class on psychology. You think that good people do good things because they are good, and bad people do bad things because they are evil. I wish it were as simple as that, but it isn't. There is no justification for what this person did, but there are reasons for why people make the decisions they make.

And the "Fuck the guy who came up with the Lucifer Effect" comment is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. I feel terrible for anybody who has lost somebody to a tragedy like this, but those who do suffer these tragedies tend to lose their rationality when it comes to what should be done with the people who commit these atrocities. If they can be studied and understood, one day, things like this may be preventable.

And let me add that, from what I understand of this case, this guy was bullied. And nobody is more against bullying than me. I'm draconian in how I would handle bullies. As well as the teachers, school officials, and parents who allow it to go on. But him being bullied isn't enough reason to spare him after he commits murder.

You say you are Draconian in how bullies should be handled. TJ Lane was too.

Ivy you're going too far. Your personal ideology is your opinion and people will disagree with it, but that doesn't mean that just because they don't believe what you believe in it somehow makes them a "problem"