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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: DickNose_Moltasanti]
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03/18/13 03:30 PM
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Here goes: The Black kid is very lucky that his co-defendant was White. If it were two Black kids who raped a White girl, they would have found a way to charge them as adults and given them whatever the max allowed. Oh, so right on that! But I think they didn't feel that they raped her. Like Bill Clinton said- I did Not have sexual relation with that girl. It was digital insertion, so they figure that was not rape. FATHERSON you think that's funny? Does it sound funny to you?
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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03/18/13 03:53 PM
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Hey dick exactly, but you have to think a liitle bit no?
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: fathersson]
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03/18/13 04:14 PM
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Here goes: The Black kid is very lucky that his co-defendant was White. If it were two Black kids who raped a White girl, they would have found a way to charge them as adults and given them whatever the max allowed. Oh, so right on that! But I think they didn't feel that they raped her. Like Bill Clinton said- I did Not have sexual relation with that girl. It was digital insertion, so they figure that was not rape. FATHERSON you think that's funny? Does it sound funny to you? Not gonna even respond say whatever you want your in the incrowd 
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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03/18/13 04:52 PM
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Their acts were heinous and they are criminals, not "nice boys" that had a few and got "carried away". They treated that girl like an inanimate object. These two obviously have some serious issues. Maybe they're gay and trying to cover it up by acting this way, which is why they didn't try penile penetration.
Either that, or they felt privileged for being star athletes in an area of the country where local football is king, and thought they could get away with anything. Either way, I hope they rot in jail until they're 21, which is possible.
I am disgusted by those who have any sympathy for these bullies. Yes, we can physically abuse a passed out teenager, but we'll cry like 5 year old girls when the big bad judge tells us we're guilty.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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03/20/13 05:24 AM
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 Pontiac — The daughter of 75-year-old Sandra Layne said her mother "got what she deserved" minutes after a jury convicted her of second-degree murder in the shooting death of her 17-year-old grandson. Jennifer Hoffman, the mother of Jonathan Hoffman, who died after Layne shot him six times, called her mother "a monster." "I know my son is in heaven and that is a place she will never see," Jennifer Hoffman said. After eight hours of deliberations over two days, an Oakland County Circuit Court jury of seven women and five men found the West Bloomfield grandmother guilty of second-degree murder and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. As the guilty verdicts were read, Layne rocked back and forth in her chair and began sobbing as her attorney attempted to comfort her. Other members of her family, including her 87-year-old husband, Fred, clutched one another and wept. Chief assistant prosecutor Paul Walton tilted his head back in apparent relief. And Michael and Jennifer Hoffman, the divorced parents of the victim, smiled at one another across an aisle. Outside the courtroom Michael Hoffman said, "I'm thrilled." A dazed Layne was led back to jail by a half-dozen deputies. She will be sentenced April 8. Under sentencing guidelines she is expected to be sentenced to a minimum of 12 years for second-degree murder and must serve a separate mandatory two-year sentence for the firearms conviction. A 14-year sentence means she would be nearly 90 years old before she would be released from prison. Grandmother kills Grandson
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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03/20/13 05:37 AM
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How fortunate that the man was not sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit. David Ranta Story In the wintry darkness 23 years ago on a back street in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, a jewelry thief fleeing a botched robbery panicked and shot a Hasidic rabbi in the head.
Four days later, the rabbi, Chaskel Werzberger, an Auschwitz survivor, died of his wounds. Even in the New York City of 1990, as homicides crested at 2,245, the murder stirred grief and outrage...Forty detectives worked the case, soon led by the swaggering, cigar-chewing Detective Louis Scarcella. Working closely with an influential Satmar rabbi, Detective Scarcella arrested a drug-addicted, unemployed printer named David Ranta. Hasidic Jews surrounded the car that carried the accused man to jail, slapping the roof and chanting, “Death penalty!”
Mr. Ranta was convicted in May 1991 and sentenced to 37.5 years in maximum-security prison, where he remains to this day.
He is almost certainly not guilty. Mr. Ranta could walk free as early as Thursday. In the decades since a jury convicted him of murder, nearly every piece of evidence in this case has fallen away. A key witness told The New York Times that a detective instructed him to select Mr. Ranta in the lineup. A convicted rapist told the district attorney that he falsely implicated Mr. Ranta in hopes of cutting a deal for himself. A woman has signed an affidavit saying she too lied about Mr. Ranta’s involvement.
Detective Scarcella and his partner, Stephen Chmil, according to investigators and legal documents, broke rule after rule... At trial, prosecutors acknowledged the detectives had misbehaved but depicted them as likable scamps...
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: klydon1]
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03/20/13 11:49 AM
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Perhaps Detective Scarcella and the DA could complete the term of Mr. Ranta. It is impossible to compensate an innocent man adequately for spending 20+ years in a prison. This women DA that subepeanaed me to a case the past month I over hear her saying that shes under investigation for using too many cops in their cases. If you want justice..you know what to do
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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03/21/13 03:28 PM
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Kly, I just read of an 8 person jury in a federal district court. That's quite a departure from the usual 12. Your comments. There are some jurisdictions that use 6 member juries, which is crazy. Some 5-4Supreme Court decisions approved 6 member juries, but found 5 member panels to violate the VI Amendment. There was even a state that had a 6 member jury panel and allowed convictions on 5-1 votes. That was found to be unconstitutional although a few states permit non-unanimous convictions from 12 member panels. I'm not in favor of any jury with fewer than twelve, which has served humanity for almost 700 years. Twelve member juries were the only type our founding fathers knew, and there is basically nothing to suggest they considered anything else. So the decisions upholding 6 and 8 member panels would reflect that type of judicial activism that the original intent school condemns. Just another example that so called judicial activism isn't limited to liberal agendas. The bottom line is that some states see the smaller juries as making it easier to convict as it takes only one to hang the jury. Some argued that individual jurors feel more comfortable to share thoughts among 8 rather than 10. I don't buy that at all.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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03/22/13 05:13 PM
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Thanks Kly. But I am surprised that a federal court would use less than 12. In federal criminal cases you may have 8 if the parties consent. In civil trials it's not unusual for juries to have six jurors. The Federal Rules of Civil (and Criminal) Procedure are uniform among the districts, but there is a provision that allows the individual districts to promulgate their own Local Rules. They can't infringe on substantive rights or conflict with the spirit of the Federal Rules, so they are usually limited to procedural and filing requirements. From time to time the Committee overseeing the Rules survey all the districts , classify the Local Rules by subject matter, contrast them and offer suggestions on whether the rules should be withdrawn, modified or maintained. Years ago I worked on such a project, but the only area I researched involved eminent domain proceedings in federal court.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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04/02/13 07:04 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/02/jay-hileman-texas-aryan-brotherhood_n_3002012.htmlA federal prosecutor has reportedly left a case involving members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas citing "security concerns." The Dallas Morning News reports that Houston-based assistant U.S. attorney Jay Hileman told defense lawyer Richard O. Ely II that he was withdrawing in an email. Ely is representing one of the defendants in the case, which involves racketeering charges. Houston defense attorney Katherine Scardino also received the email from Hileman, according to Talking Points Memo. "He sent the email to every lawyer representing a defendant in the Aryan Brotherhood federal case, and he said -- very short email -- that he was withdrawing for security reasons," Scardino told TPM...
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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