Something you left out, is that these people are rapists. Are you saying that all homosexuals are rapists? So when a couple of straight rapes happen, should I call you a rapist as well for being a man?

Where in his statement did he use the word ALL?
So why would you add it to make his statement appear so wrong?
Then mock him and roll the eyes?

Explain how it should be obvious to "these people", and please do so without citing scripture or basing it on your beliefs.

And again, you've referred to information coming from the "secular left" as propaganda. And no, you don't have to actually use the word "propaganda" to call something "propaganda".

I'm more worried about priests molesting little boys than about if a gay couple would adopt a child and raise him in a family.

Oh, pauleeeeeeeeeze! Pedophilia, is pedophilia; as rape is rape. Nobody mentions it as straight rape, so why should media call it gay pedophilia?

wow! professor.
So your saying gays are prone to fucking kids.You need to get a job writing for law and order or perhaps publish a book with these findings, the world could really use your expert insight.

seriously though you really dont want to start separating pedophiles based on the sex of their victims, in fact you can't because its the same mentality in both types of offenders that has driven them to commit the crime in the first place.

What kind of sex are you referring to?
A kiss? Oral sex? Anal sex? Manual sex? Sex with dildos or other toys?
Is oral sex, for example, "abnormal" when two women do it, but "normal" if a man and a woman do it?

Speaking generally, it can be viewed as abnormal in the sense that only a union of male and female can produce offspring and has a practical purpose, which is favored by nature.

Heterosexual unions produce offspring = survival of the species, community (future labor force).
Homosexual unions produce no offspring, therefore no continuation of the species.

I doubt that letting gay couples to marry each other would disable the continuation of human race.

Few abnormal acts would. Members of this board, everyone human who ever existed is the result of heterosexual union. Even ones produced in a lab are the product of male sperm and female egg. I would take this as strong indicator that nature favors heterosexual union. Things which go against nature can be construed as abnormal.

How? You do know that there was homosexuality in the past like in the Roman Empire and Ancient Greece? Kind of we all have survived and nothing has changed. The population of the world has even grown.

Yes, I'm well aware of history. Just because an activity has a long history doesn't make it normal. I'm sure you can think of examples.

I don't see any changes. There are people who are being born every hour. And I doubt you have the right to decide if it's not normal.

This thread is getting silly now, but fun to read.. SC come back and close it..

So at the end of the day, gay marriage should be banned because it's weird. That's basically what it boils down to. It just isn't normal, right?

Yea, that ain't good enough. Try again.

I know you're trying to be fair on this issue, but unfortunately this is not what is happening in the real world. Massachusetts law forbids private adoptive agencies from steering away from gay couples and Catholic agencies have dropped adoptive services in that state. If your Aunt Sally lived in Mass., I'm not sure she would be able to abide by her personal convictions. Boy scouts are another example. This idea that gay marriage doesn't hurt anybody else is a lie.

Yeah? Explain to me how homosexuality hurts other people. Because I've lived around gay people and kids raised by couples who are gay. Literally no one cares and everyone is happy. I seriously don't think you have a basis for what you're saying.

If it causes people to violate their personal beliefs and convictions...
If it limits free exercise of religious expression....
If it causes private adoptive agencies to close business...
Who knows where this will lead in the future as far as freedom? Gulags?

No need to make it a personal attack, or bring in my parents. Your comment shows you have a sick mind.

It hurts us by forcing children to have to deal with seeing men kissing men, women kissing women, and other stuff they do in public. 97% or more of children are oriented towards opposite sex, seeing that can mess them up. I don't know how you know more than one gay couple raising children, but how happy and well adjusted the children are can be open to debate.

Homosexuality in Ancient Rome and Greece is part of era that led to decline in both civilizations.

I move that this thread be closed. Obviously that's up to the creator of the thread and the mods, but this topic has brought out the worst in all of us, and it's turned into a nightmare. I take blame as well as I've participated in this. But this is getting ridiculous, SC was right these kinds of threads have turned into 'pissing matches' and now he's gone and we don't know when he's coming back.

I know I might sound "lofty" as this is an open discussion board and people may post the topics they like. But I think this one has gone over the edge.

Yeah, 2004 is just soooo long ago. Give me a break. You liberal gay marriage supporters are all about what "science" and "the experts" say....until they don't agree with you. Then you dismiss them right away.



It should be obvious to everyone that men and women bring unique traits to a marriage, which are the most desirable for raising a family - the most fundamental unit of society. And that is what the government should encourage and sanction. Not twisted, bastardized versions of the family, including gay marriage. Which, as I've said, is essentially saying men and women are interchangeable and so there's no real difference between a straight or gay couple raising children. That's a lie that should be recognized by everybody.

Though I doubt you will, check out these articles below for further explanation.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765625644/Too-much-at-stake-in-debate.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/344221/why-were-losing-gay-marriage-debate-mona-charen

Ivy we need to give it a rest. I don't think any of us are changing our opinions on this. Let's all just let it go.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion and that's what makes this country great. No ones views will change from this arguing so how about we just end it.

Not exactly what I was looking for but it's close enough. I call a truce.

We agree to disagree, Ivy. For the record, I never set out to change your's or anyone else's opinion on the subject. I hope at the end of the day, we can all respect each other's opinions, no matter how much we disagree with them.

There is really nothing more I can say on this issue.

Right, I'm the sick person, and I have a sick mind, because I'm the one who is worried what parents do in their bedroom could affect their children. Right.

Well then, this is way too far. I'm not in favor of catholic organizations running a hospital according to their belief, because people are rushed to these hospitals most of the times with no other option. But when it comes to adoption, they should be able to select their own criteria for parents. I wouldn't be advocating this.