An animal can't consent and neither can a child. That's why it can never be made legal. No consent means rape. Rape is a crime. Homosexuality is not.

I don't suggest that churches should reverse their doctrine and suddenly allow gay marriage if it's against their policy. However, I see nothing wrong with governments sanctioning civil ceremonies.

You're assuming "consent" will always be the measuring bar.

Yes, because I have to believe that we are not going to degenerate to a race that lives in trees and throws their feces at one another.

If two people of the same sex are in a committed relationship, why should they be denied the rights of spousal relationships, mostly legal next of kin status?

Maybe you haven't noticed but we're a race who's been killing unborn children by the millions for decades now. People find ways to justify or excuse any number of atrocities.



I'm personally not against them being in civil unions or domestic partnerships where hospitalization, medical care, fair housing and employment rights, probate, etc. are there. But society should not go as far as to label such unions marriage, thereby making them appear equal or the same.

If they are committed, and it is a civil union with all the rights you mentioned above, what is the difference between that and a heterosexual couple that goes to City Hall for their ceremony? It IS marriage, whatever you want to label it.

Even if a hetero couple gets married at City Hall, it's still viewed as a marriage. The point is, there needs to be a distinction made in the eyes of the law between the two, if only nominally.

Also of concern is what else this will lead into in terms of homosexuality being recognized and legitimized by society. We've already seen what's happened to Catholic charities because they wisely wouldn't allow gay couples to adopt children. "Other advocates of same-sex marriage are suggesting that tax exemptions and benefits be withdrawn from any religious organization that does not embrace same-sex unions. Public accommodation laws are already being used as leverage in an attempt to force religious organizations to allow marriage celebrations or receptions in religious facilities that are otherwise open to the public. Accrediting organizations in some instances are asserting pressure on religious schools and universities to provide married housing for same-sex couples. Student religious organizations are being told by some universities that they may lose their campus recognition and benefits if they exclude same-sex couples from club membership."

Supporters of gay marriage need to quit asking, "How does gay marriage effect you?" Because we're already seeing signs of it going from one thing to another once the can of worms is opened. And, if they were really honest, many supporters of gay marriage would admit they really wouldn't care if opponents of gay marriage were effected negatively. They'd probably relish it.

This is how white turns into black...One shade at a time!

It's "affected".

Maybe because a committed relationship, is not recognize as marriage. it may be an element of it but so is roommates living together or a friend with benefits....words like mostly aren't getting you all the way there either.

wow.... still no words from around the world? This just can't be a U.S. problem....

My point is that the arguments for gay marriage are ridiculous, and can be used to justify anything, such as the the example I gave, incest between adults.

Okay, now let's play the devil's advocate here, some say incestuous marriage should be illegal, because it results in genetic defects in the offspring. That's not always the case. Depends on the genome mapping of that family, if they have a certain defect in one of their genes, that surely would result in a defect in their offspring. However, if they have no defected genes, their bloodline actually becomes more stronger, having not been mixed with another that may have some defected genes. for instance if someone have the hemophilia gene, if they marry someone who doesn't have it, their offspring might carry the same defect. This way defects get more widespread throughout the society.

Some countries require any couples to go through certain genetic testing before marriage. They usually warn people not to marry if they both have the same genetic defects. I'm not sure if there's a place that would prevent them from marrying.

I usually have a hard time understanding your posts or even worse your humor. You quote a post about polygamy, then ask from around the world how they handled gay marriage? Why don't you simply google? More than a handful of countries have legalized gay marriage. You could always check Wikipedia for details. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

Back to polygamy. I hope Ivy is in favor of two men one woman as well.

I mean when I say I support polygamy, I support this one as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8y019760Mk

Sorry if you have had a problem understanding. It is simple...Ivy League asked about Polygamy in other parts of the world and I just wanted to know how the world handled the GAY Union problem in other parts of the world.

So tell me Afsaneh77, Do gay couples in your country have the rights that Gay Couples here are seeking?

By the way, I presented the question to expand the thoughts in this thread to others. It would have been nice if you had just offered the views from your own country and maybe some others from theirs.
I know we have several people on here across the world.

By the way, Thanks for the link.

I've said here many a time, they hang gays here. So how do you think the discussion about gay marriage would go here?

BTW, I feel like I need to explain more, they don't hang you if you say you are gay. They however would hang you if you confess to having homosexual intercourse, or there are witnesses to such acts that would testify.

Damn. Now that is tuff...Then again Religon plays a major part over there. It sounds like the chance of any change coming in the future is nill.

That's the government. There's a huge gap between what government sanctions and what the youth today want the government to do. But I'm not sure even if the government suddenly changes, people be open to gay marriage here. Men are less homophobic, they kiss each other on the cheek here as a greeting, but I'm not sure they would be ready to have a discussion on gay marriage. Government was trying to push polygamy here, in the sense of religious form, one man, many women. People in big cities really rallied against it. They said it goes against the norm. Still they made it legal without the consent of the first wife and on the courts approval. Previously it was allowed only with the consent of the first wife, and well, that usually didn't happen. We are digressing from the topic though.

What country is this?

Iran.

Oh wow!

Yes, and it can't be legally recognized because it has not been legalized by any government agency as such. However, a heterosexual couple that decides to live their life this way is making a choice to do so. They CHOOSE not to get married. A homosexual couple HAS NO CHOICE. That's the difference.

Why the CAPS! Why also can't they just live together in leave without having to cause a big STINK about EVERYTHING! There always clicking thier heels for attention! Why can't they go quietly about thier business like everyone else? It's always a parade! A march! A rally! A protest! A lawsuit!

Jeez it never ends

Dicknose, your married to another Man. Can we get your perspective on the issue? Have you two been happy? Neighbors cause you problems?

I was hoping too marry you since your not married yet you made up everything you've ever told anyone on this board don't even get me started ...RESPECT & DP

LOL! Your a jerkoff! Stress of going to jail for twenty years for robbing an old ladies house getting to you?

Your a pathological liar n don't pm me shit noone believes you about your brother mother father etc...Your pretty sick n F'd up in the head to make up that kind of stuff and prey on people's sympathy....I don't need to say anymore ...RESPECT

LOL! As fucked up as breaking into an old ladies house to rob her? Preying on people's sympathy! Your a joke. You've got zero intelligence so this is your method of discrediting me?

No more warnings. You two have a history and should know better than this kind of crap. The fact that you don't (know better) is of no concern to me.

Your departures are imminent .... fasten your seatbelts.