Not that it particularly matters, but which major ancient civilization had same sex marriage? I don't mean gay relations, but marriage. It took a while for Christianity to spread to other parts of the world like China and the Americas (Aztecs, Incas, Mayans and Indian tribes). There's a lot of historical revisionism and propaganda out there, so I don't buy into everything I read on the web.

You don't have to go that far back. More recently there were tribes practicing cannabilism.

Gerry you're tinkering on borderline insanity

In other words you don't have a decent rebuttal, just childish insults. Anyone who responds with buzzwords like racist, bigot, sexist, etc., is usually too stupid to present a decent argument.

Did I respond with an insult? No, I simply find you so extreme an argument is not worth presenting.

I concur with Joe. Your posts may assuage your emotions, but they don't contribute knowledge. You don't have to contribute knowledge to this Board, but it's worth a try.

You can't have it both ways. If the argument is gay marriage is a new thing, and contrary to history, you cannot then cherry pick the bad things about ancient civilizations to argue that gay unions are something new.

To be fair, the Romans kicked major ass (along with fucking it.) Nobody back then debated their military efficiency despite their bi-sexual practicing ranks. (Of course "homosexuality" and "bisexuality" as terms we understand and define it wasn't around back then but nevermind.)

Who gives a fuck. If this bothers you your a homophobe/closet gay.......


God bless fucking america!

What is extreme about being against gay marriage? Most of the world thinks it is sick!

It's not extreme to be against gay marriage. But to say it destroys society and civilization (along with immigration) is utter nonsense. If you're against gay marriage that's your deal, but I think you've clearly lived under a rock your entire life. Have you ever met a gay person or bothered to interact with one? They are perfectly nice people and you wanna know another thing? They're human just like you and I.

And most of the world who is against gay marriage is third world pal. Aka-the middle east, Africa, Latino countries. Again as olivant stated, you love expressing your personal feelings and emotions on this subject but have nothing to offer in terms of knowledge or fact.

And by the way, don't use "Most of the world" as a template on right and wrong or what to believe on controversial issues, it's a really dumb idea.

Latino counties tend to be Catholic. Their being against gay marriage has nothing to do with being from the so called "third world." If you're against gay marriage for TRULY religious reasons, then it's not fair to label such people extremists. To do so is an ignorant and extreme thing to do in itself. You know, pot-kettle and all that.

That only works if you believe fairy tales about talking snakes.

You are right PB my apologies. I only meant to call Gerry extreme not for religious reasons but purely because of ignorance and lack of fact.

You are both right. I think the point is there are a number of religions that consider homosexuality immoral, and people have a right to worship as they please. Being religious per se is not a good or a bad thing IMHO, but being a religious fanatic is never a good thing.

I have look and looked and I finally came up with what I think is the answer to my question.... No one here even tried to answer.

How many Gay Marriages have there been in the United States:




Answer:



At least 76,111 same-sex couples have been legally married in the United States, although the number is probably larger. This makes the United States the country with the most reported same-sex marriages in the world.

This is a summary of the only available statistics I have been able to find:

California - approximately 18,000 between June 16 and November 5, 2008;
Massachusetts - 18,462 as of 5/17/12;
Connecticut - more than 17,000 as of 10/01/09;
New York - at least 8,091 as of 6/24/12;
Washington, DC - approx. 5,500 as of 3/9/12;
Iowa - 4,500 as of 3/31/12;
New Hampshire - at least 2,253 as of 3/27/13;
Vermont - 1,425 as of 12/31/10;
Washington (state) - almost 800;
New Mexico - 64 on February 20, 2004;
Maine - at least 14 as of 12/29/12;
Maryland - at least 14 as of 1/1/13;
Oregon - 1 (Coquille Indian tribe);
Michigan - 1 (Little Traverse Bay Bands of Odawa Indians) on March 15, 2013; and,
Rhode Island - 0 (law takes effect 8/1/13).

I live in Philadelphia, a city with its own "gayborhood," not a rock. I've been around plenty of homosexuals, enough to not go out of my way to be around them. They are usually about everything I'm against for the most part. There are some OK ones though.

What is your beef with the third world? A million plus French men, women, and children hit the streets all over France to protest against gay marriage! I don't want to defend a society that allows something like gay marriage, I'm not willing to invade Iraq or Afghanistan because they don't have their own equivelent of the Folsom Street Fair. For those who don't know what that is, be prepared to read about one of the most degenerate events in the world.

I've also found that term amusing - "homophobe." In other words, a guy can go out and screw another guy up the rear end, have oral sex with him, and God knows what other depraved acts; but if I find that disgusting, I'm the one with the problem.



Can't help but notice how many of the liberals on this board are also the ones who discount the Bible, if not religion altogether. That's not a coincidence.

Of course you are the one with problem. The rest of us don't sit there imagining what others do in their bedrooms, because let's face it, there are few people I want to imagine having sex with each other, be they straight or gay.

Not to mention some of those acts IL depicts which sicken him, well men and women do that with each other. (I know they do. I've seen the movies.) Does this make him a Heterophobe too?

To spell it out with redacted words (which make him queasy) replaced with innocent terms, Yes women put BANANA in their mouth and men stick their tongue in their HONEY POT and then he sticks his HOT DOG into her TAILPIPE and not her ROSEBUD.

I bet he only screws missionary. Or maybe the occassional Doggystyle, when he frequently asks the misses: "Harder!"

How many couples get married each year in the us?

Answer:

2.2 million per year.

Minnesota will now be the 12th state to legalize SSM.

The truth is much simpler in my mind. Ivy is disgusted and intolerant of anything that doesn't fit his definition of "normal".


That also makes him a bad Christian.

The definition of "normal" is what it is. It's just not me who says it. Nobody can honestly argue homosexuality is normal.



I doubt you have the slightest idea of what does or doesn't make a good or bad Christian. This is an excellent example. On one hand, any Christian is going to be disgusted by the sin of homosexuality and not consider it acceptable in the eyes of God. On the other hand, that doesn't mean they don't tolerate and love the homosexual.

I will tell you one thing. Ivy is more of a man they many who post their hate around here. He seems to have a faith that is unshaken by the cheap shots posted at him.

And that is the real problem in todays world. It is becoming the norm or sport to tear down anyone or any thing that holds up or points out any kind of "standards" any more.

This idea the right-wingers won't let go, about how this will change "standards" is such a misnomer.

Legalizing Gay rights won't cause more of these kids to go gay, as some locals seem to keep on believing. Let's be honest: If you have gay tendencies and act on them, common sense dictates that you didn't need the law or culture's help in the first place.

Its why it was hilarious (in a stupid, facepalming sort of way) when the same right wingers got upset about letting those "queers" into the Military when DADT got repealed. Bullshit, they were always there. In fact I read an interesting article once claiming that the modern Gay community in NYC started post-WW2 when returning G.I.s couldn't go back home to their communities across the country because they were caught doing "sodomy" and their local draft boards were notified and thus would've become local pariahs so they stayed pretty much where they docked home from Europe and Asia.

It seems that so many posts in a few threads now keep repeating how disgusting the thought of gay sex is. It makes me wonder how often these people's minds are fixed on the images of men having sex with other men.

Anyway, these are the very people, who should be in favor of civil marriages for gays. Nothing kills the sex drive like a marriage certificate, so if you allow them to marry, your imaginaation may rid itself of gay fantasies, and focus on a bickering old couple.

That is what happen in SanFrancico, when the Navy dropped out its so called "PROBLEM" people

Oh, Kly, that was priceless!