I just heard a bunch of guys at the car show talking about this morning...and the best thing I heard was:

"The son of a bitches, that so badly want gun control are the same son of a bitches that just sit on their asses and never stand up to anyone except with their big mouths.
They want others to stand up for them, go fight their war, come to their aid when something happens to their sorry asses, but never put themselves in the line of fire or in the danger zone.
They have the nerve to complain about everything that others want to do that they don't even do..so FUCK THEM!"

and the crowd went wild!

Wow, FS, I'm so sorry. It sounds like you spent your morning with a bunch of loud-mouthed asswipes. Must have sucked.

OH. No- No....you couldn't have been more wrong. We were at a local VA Hospital this morning. Giving those there a chance to enjoy America's sports cars.

And with the help of the hospital staff and volunteers the men came down to enjoy the cars. A couple even got a chance to take a ride.

Thanks to a Police escort from our local police department. ( A local chief is a club member.) They got to enjoy some fast take offs with some burning rubber in the air. The smiles were all around... Guys enjoying the time together.

Then after snack a bunch of folks also went over to the children's hospital where all the kids got to come down from their wards (those that could get out) and with their staff's help, they came down and were all over the cars. The hospital had a whole section of a side parking lot closed for the cars

As many of you know, sport car owners have a thing about people touching their cars, at many shows they even keep people back with ropes, But not a word was said as the kids hands ran all over the polished cars. Sitting in many and holding their ears as a couple of the guys revved up their engines when asked.

A couple of the club members wives had the job of using Polaroid type cameras taking pictures of the kids sitting behind the wheel of the cars. You should have seen the kids waving the pictures trying to get them to appear faster.

Parents couldn't stop thanking everyone for their time. Saying it was great to see the kids with some smiles once again. I guess we have to thank the man above for clearing the rain away this morning.

Oh and those loud mouth ass wipes as you put it, have a 500 cars event planed tomorrow to raise money for over 20 charities and other events at some local nursing homes also.

The young man who make the comment that got you making a poor post was a young vet and his brother talking. One has just one limp left and the other set up the event for the guys stuck there for treatment and rehabilitation after spending so much time with his brother..
And sweetheart I respect their opinion a lot more then some other key board commandos on here who only claim to fame is living their life online.

Sorry if some don't just love every post posted on these boards, it is a shitty world at times I guess.

Another gem in the crown:


The biggest problem with the gun debate in this country is the ignorance on behalf of a majority of the country. AK-47's are NOT legal to own in the US, unless you have $20,000 and want to deal with 6 months of rigorous background checks, get signatures from about 10 different people, and you live in either Texas or Arizona. There ARE rifles that LOOK like an AK, which are as different as can be from an AK itself. It operates as a Semi Automatic rifle, as opposed to a fully automatic, and is therefore NOT considered an Assault Rifle.

The so called "assault Weapon" ban that went into effect in the 90's governed these weapons that LOOK LIKE assault rifles, as Assault rifles are ALREADY illegal and have been for a long time! So In other words, you are legislating based upon what the gun looks like, as opposed to the facts surrounding it. Seems nonsensical to me!

Andrew Cuomo and State legislators have reached a tentative agreement to tighten up New York State's gun laws. Specifically the by-laws regarding assault weapons and magazines.

New York Gun Control: Cuomo, Legislative Leaders Reach Tentative Deal On Assault Weapons, Magazines

By MICHAEL GORMLEY, The Huffington Post

ALBANY, N.Y. — A key New York Senate leader and the Assembly speaker said they expect the state Legislature to vote Monday to enact what would be the nation's first gun control measure following last month's Connecticut school shooting.

"I think when all is said and done, we are going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Sen. Jeffrey Klein told reporters Monday morning. "I'm very excited about it. I am very confident we are going to vote on a comprehensive bill that will be agreed on by the governor, the Senate and Assembly."

People familiar with closed-door negotiations told The Associated Press a tentative deal was struck over the weekend.

The tentative agreement would further restrict New York's ban on assault weapons, limit the size of magazines to seven bullets, down from the current 10, and enact more stringent background checks for sales. Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others.

Senate Republicans also have included a further crackdown on illegal gun trafficking into New York, the people said. Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state, state and city officials say.

The people spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposal had not been discussed among rank and file legislators. They say the tentative deal will be debated behind closed doors Monday in the Senate and the Democrat-led Assembly and could be sent to the floor for a vote Monday.

A Cuomo administration official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal was not final, said there was no agreement yet.

A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver said the deal will include ways for schools to use state aid to better guard against shootings.

The vote also would require Cuomo to issue a "message of necessity" that would dispense with the three days of public review that bills are supposed to have under the state constitution. There was no immediate comment from Cuomo, who made these gun control provisions a keynote of his State of the State address on Wednesday.

"I think the message out there is clear after Newtown and to get us down this road as quickly as possible to basically eradicate assault weapons from our streets in New York as quickly as possible is something the people of our state want," Silver said. "It's an important thing to do. It is an emergency."

Silver said lawmakers continued into Monday settling the remaining issues of "how you do certain things in drafting it."

He said a registry of assault weapons will be created, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands. He said crimes using guns will get additional mandatory minimum sentences.

"The solution is to get those assault weapons off the street," Silver told reporters.

The closed-door meetings prompted about a dozen gun workers to travel more than two hours to Albany to protest the legislation they say could cost 300 to 700 jobs in the economically hard-hit Mohawk Valley.

"I have three small kids myself," said Jamie Rudall, a unionized worker who polishes shotgun receivers. "So I know what it means, the tragedy ... we need to look at ways to prevent that, rather than eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens."

"We don't want to get into the gun debate," said union organizer Frank "Rusty" Brown. "We're here about jobs."

Assemblyman Marc Butler, a Republican who represents the area, decried the closed-door meetings over the politically sensitive issue in by the Senate Republicans and the Democratic majority of the Assembly as "politics at its worst."

"This is on a fast track, they are going to shove it down our throats," Butler said. "They are about to step all over the Second Amendment in secret meetings."

The bill will be the first test of the new coalition in control of the state Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.

Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.

"It was always startling to me the vast cultural divide between New York City metropolitan view on gun control and most of the upstate communities," said Balboni, who represented part of Long Island for 10 years and was a Senate leader.

"Gun advocates see these incidents as almost cyclical and that in the wake of a national shooting incident, they have seen repeated calls for control," he said Monday. "They view it as a slippery slope to the banning and confiscation of weapons. Emotions run high and there will be tremendous pressure on all upstate legislators, Republicans and Democrats, to keep their base."

Also a concern is a major gun manufacturer in upstate New York.

Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve in Webster, N.Y., when two firefighters were slain responding to a fire. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.

Republican Assemblyman Marc Butler warned last week that a more restrictive assault weapon ban could cost the factory 300 jobs.

what a fucking joke that legislation is! forget the whole "assault weapons" argument, most of us already know what side of the fence we are on that one. reduce magazine capacity down from 10 to 7? is that the new "reasonable" number? funny that they arrived on 7, seeing how almost any semi-auto rifle holds more than 7. the m-1 garand, a ww2 rifle, holds 8. most varieties of an sks, 8. basically, its a backdoor way to outlaw ALL semi-auto rifles, they count on people not knowing that. that is for all guns, including handguns, not just the "assault rifles" that destroy every living thing that moves. so is a handgun with the capacity to hold more than 7 rounds now an considered an "assault weapon"? to people unfamiliar with guns, almost every single semi-automatic handgun has a magazine with the ability to hold more than 7 rounds, so this is nothing but basically a ban of most weapons period by default.

oh, but wait, they will allow current guns to be grandfathered, funny how in that article they don't mention the option that they have been pushing for: making it illegal to transfer the weapons. guess what that means? when you die, don't even think about leaving it to a family member, the government gets it. and with no new weapons that fit this twisted criteria allowed to be privately owned, within a generation the overwhelming majority of weapons will be gone. during that transition period, they will undoubtedly cram even more restrictions down our throats. for people who say they don't want all your guns, look deeper into the effects these laws have. how long until they move onto bolt-action deer rifles, and try to classify them as sniper rifles? this makes me sick!

Wow I feel so safe now. Let's do something about all those pitbull people like to walk with. Let's limit the size of the butcher Knife to under three inches. Let's make the Louisville slugger less then ten inches long. Less put an automatic hit the breaks when something gets within 10 feet of a car.

Let's put the guy that knocked on your door at three in the morning and asks you for a cookie away to the nut house for ever.

Look at this picture
http://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.c...bama-hypocrisy/

They should change that caption to guns make him less safe

At this stage of the game any reform to gun laws, be it background checks, closing the gun show loophole or magazine sizes is a step in the right direction. With the House under control of the right wing crazies, something is always better than nothing.

These are basically douche bags...

yahoo.com

The National Rifle Association, exactly a month after the shooting at Newtown, Conn., has released a branded target shooting game deemed suitable for kids ages 4 and up.
The NRA has been highly critical of the video game industry following the elementary school shooting in Newtown that left 26 dead and sparked a national debate about guns and school safety.
"NRA: Practice Range," available free in the iTunes app store, allows players to shoot at coffin-shaped targets in indoor or outdoor settings. For $.99 extra, players can upgrade their gun to a pistol grip Mossberg or a semi-automatic sniper rifle.
According to the description on iTunes, the game is intended to instill "safe and responsible ownership through fun challenges and realistic simulations." And because it contains "no objectionable material," per iTunes' rating system, it's suitable for children as young as 4. Apple employees vet applications before they are included in the store and approve age ranges for games.

A good reason not to be a member of the NRA. I think the kid in the movie learned to shoot with video games. I learned to shoot with a 1911 we shot rats in a barn.

A month ago right after the shooting in Conn. my wife and I went to a school to see my grand daughter dance recital. They did nothing to check for weapons. They did do a moment of silence.

At the recital My time was split between watching the dancers and looking for suspicious people in the audience

this video game argument is silly. guess what, the only video games that are deadly are the drone-themed ones played by our current administration that are used to blow apart children in northwest pakistan.

NRA is now an easy target or whipping boy. They have people so worked up over Gun Control that people aren't thinking straight.
Look at you, you couldn't even enjoy yourself at your grand daughter dance recital. There is a killer behind every corner!

These few nut cases have taken away your trust in your fellow man and soon your right to bear arms if we are not careful. These children being taken away from us are being used like the race card. You don't dare say anything or you look bad. Pretty soon just like the N word you will not be able to say the G word without being shunned.

The New York Governor is taking crazy and acting like always with his I am god and you will listen theme.

They can't keep the police now from lying about events and he wants the mental health department to be able to take your rights away at a drop of the hat because it will be better to error on the right side. Remember when they removed your children because some caller dropped a dime on a person. So you better not have anyone mad at you or your family.The problem is MENTAL HEALTH so it will be so hard to watch for who really should be disarmed. Will they go overboard with these rights to judgement with the "if we just save one person theme".


And now 10 shots is to much - we only want 7 shots to be legal now- Gee f'n wise that is.

Will your son /child be locked up because he enjoys those shooter games so much or if he says I would kill you when he gets mad at someone?

Oh by the way Maryxxx does not have any guns at his house and has some great stuff, one being a $2,500. guitar. lol

A local poster said- why should I be any less armed then the police. If they shoot so well then why do they need so many rounds? (lol)
and why do some people think- that people just need guns only to hunt? No one has to justify being able to protect themselves from any body or group or the government if the time comes and people feel it is necessary to do so. A prepared person is this national best defense.

When Gabby Gifford was shot, the first thing the DC crowd did was pass rules that allowed all of them to carry firearms right away without waiting- remember that. No training or waiting period at

How many of them are drunks and on drugs if you look at the facts of those on capital hill.

Beware or you all will become the new sheep.
Thanks for reading! Be safe

Look like the President will unveil his own proposals tomorrow.

Obama weighing executive action on guns

By ERICA WERNER | Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Facing powerful opposition to sweeping gun regulations, President Barack Obama is weighing 19 steps he could take through executive action alone, congressional officials said. But the scope of such measures is limited.

The steps could include ordering stricter action against people who lie on gun sale background checks, seeking to ensure more complete records in the federal background check database, striking limits on federal research into gun use, ordering tougher penalties against gun trafficking, and giving schools flexibility to use grant money to improve safety.

Obama will unveil his proposals Wednesday, barely over a month since the massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., thrust the gun issue into the national spotlight after years of inaction by Obama and lawmakers.

The White House said Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will be joined at Wednesday's announcement by children who wrote the president letters after the Newtown shooting. Supportive lawmakers and advocacy groups are also expected to attend.

Obama is vowing not to back off his support for sweeping gun legislation that would require congressional backing — including banning assault weapons, limiting the capacity of ammunition magazines and instituting universal background checks — despite opposition from the influential gun lobby.

"Will all of them get through this Congress? I don't know," Obama said at a news conference Monday.

"My starting point is not to worry about the politics," he said. "My starting point is to focus on what makes sense, what works."

The president said he would unveil a comprehensive roadmap for curbing gun violence within days. His plan will be based on recommendations from Biden's gun task force and is expected to include both legislative proposals and steps Obama can implement by himself, using his presidential powers.

White House officials believe moving swiftly on gun proposals at a national level, before the shock over the Newtown shooting fades, gives Obama the best chance to get his proposals through Congress.

Officials said Obama and Biden met Monday afternoon to discuss the vice president's recommendations. Ahead of that meeting, Biden huddled with a dozen House Democrats who have formed their own gun violence task force and whose political muscle will be needed to push legislation through Congress.

Biden told those lawmakers that he and his staff had identified 19 steps Obama could take without help from Congress, according to Jenny Werwa, communications director to Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., one of those present. Biden didn't indicate which of those Obama would adopt.

Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., another lawmaker at the meeting, said one example is working to ensure better state reporting of mental health and other records that go into the federal background check database. But Scott said there are clear limits to what Obama can do without Congress' say-so.

"It wasn't anything remarkable, it was just administering present law better," Scott said. "You can't change the law through executive order."

Among other steps, advocacy groups have been pushing Obama to order the Justice Department to crack down on those who lie on background checks; only a tiny number are now prosecuted. Such a step has support from the National Rifle Association, which has consistently argued that existing laws must be enforced before new ones are considered.

Obama also could take steps ordering federal agencies to make more data on gun crimes available and conduct more research on the issue, something Republican congressional majorities have limited through language in budget bills, advocates said.

The president's proposals are also expected to include steps for improving school safety and mental health care, as well as recommendations for addressing violence in entertainment and video games.

"You'll have a combination of gun safety, mental health and general prevention," Scott said.

Another Democratic lawmaker who met with Biden on Monday said the vice president was likely to have given Obama proposals for allowing schools flexibility in spending federal grant money so they could take steps toward safety, including hiring school resource officers, instituting mental health intervention or making repairs like putting locks on doors. Grants could also go to communities to institute programs to get guns away from people who shouldn't have them, said the lawmaker, adding these were steps the president could take without Congress.

The lawmaker spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposals hadn't been announced publicly.

But the most sweeping and contentious elements — including an assault weapons ban — will require approval from Congress. The NRA has vowed to fight any measure that would limit access to guns and ammunition, a hardline position that could sway some Republicans and conservative Democrats.

The assault weapons ban, which Obama has long supported, is expected to face the toughest road on Capitol Hill. Congress passed a 10-year ban on the high-grade, military-style weapons in 1994, but supporters didn't have the votes to renew it once it expired.

Obama will also need congressional help to limit high-capacity ammunition magazines, like the ones used by the Newtown shooter, and to require background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a gun. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said some 40 percent of gun sales happen with no background checks, such as at gun shows and by private sellers over the Internet or through classified ads.

Parents of the slain Connecticut children added their voices to the national dialogue Monday. Members of the newly formed group Sandy Hook Promise called for an open-minded discussion about a range of issues, including guns. And lawmakers in New York state pressed ahead with what would be the nation's first gun control measure approved since the school shootings.

i would like to point out that not all liberals are tree hugging,hash-pipe smoking,karma loving,pussy ass,'idealists'.i am a liberal.i am also catholic. my veiws dont match my partys.or my churches. for example, i could give a fuck about gay marriage.let them be happy. i know where i stand,i aint no 'fence jumper'.lol. people who oppose it are homo phobic clost queens or are too sheltered to be allowed to participate in society.i think abortion needs to be different regualations,but not out lawed. i agree we need to help those in need,but there is a limit.if you follow me. i am pro death penalty.i disagree with the 'insanity' plea. that kid.lanza, hes not going to die. he will plead insanity. most people think you have to be insane to do such a horrid act. i agree.i dont care if he is albert einsteen or a bumbling retard.he needs to be put down for the good of society. 'who are we to play god'?is a common theme. shit ill do it. give me the needle ill squirt it in his fucking eye.i disagree with this new law on gun control cuomo just signed.i really dont have any basis to,seeing as im a multiple felon and all of our guns are in my wifes name,but regardless,i feel it constricts the law abidinding gun owners,while is done nothing to stop the actual gun violence.seven rounds in a clip?what is that going to help? we still own the 'glock' magazines with seven teen.which is illegal now. if you are some shit head.on the corner and you already have a illegal gun,are you really going to follow this new law and only by lower capacity magazines?every one in n.y. knows to get a gun.you just drive to virginia. but shit.i dont even have to do that! i remember when i could make a phone call and get a ingram.full auto, with a suppressor, fora grand or two.and you know what?i have before! it is the same make and mdel i did a year in arthur kill for in the eighties.you think this law i going to stop some one from getting a gun of the street?take the marbles out of your fuckin head.

funny i played the number '619' every day for for years in the sixetys.lol. it was when my baby sister was born.lol.

i guess it will be 'post,620' now,but..lol.

No one every called me a sheep before? But in your honor I will say Baaaaaaaaa.

I don't know if you meant someone else but Ryan Lanza committed suicide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Lanza#Investigation

i was using an example of some one like him.but yes.

Yh sorry i thought that tbh.

WOW! Obama's twenty something executive orders and his proposal to Congress will really set the crazies hair on fire. 50-50 he'll be impeached.

Is this an impeachable offense? Is it an offense? Not a fan of the guy but what do you do?

i found it pretty ironic that one of his proposals, which i agreed with, was to vigorously go after and prosecute people who make straw purchases with the intent to traffic those weapons to people who shouldn't have them. kind of a slap in the face to the american people to advocate something like that with eric with-holder sitting in the front row!

Of course it isn't, but that wont atop the tea baggers.

It means nothing. The same crazies impeached Bill Clinton for getting a blowjob. If JFK were around today, the Tea Baggers would try him as a sexual deviant. And it didn't affect Clinton's legacy, either. The people who loved him then love him now, probably even more so. Same goes for the people who hated him. He'll always be Slick Willie to his critics. I didn't even like Clinton, but talk about a waste of time and money!

Let's be clear. Impeachment is different from the Impeachment Process which has two parts: 1) impeachment by the House of Representtaives for for one or more alledged offenses as determined by the House; 2) trial in the Senate.

President Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

During any session of Congress (each two years of a Congress is termed a session) there is usually at least one bill of impeachment introduced against a President. Obviously, they are quickly disposed of. The House of Representatives is the sole determinent of an impeacheable offense. Such an alledged offense can be within the meaning of the Constitution's original intent or it can be political. It can be argued that any impeachment includes a political dimension. Certainly, President Andrew Jackson's impeachment was such.

I get where politicians are coming from with their plan to outlaw ar-15 style rifles and other "assault weapons". But I disagree with it. I own a Bushmaster AR15. When I first bought it I had two thirty round magazines. Why would I need to own such a gun? Am i in the military? No. Am i a cop? No. Am i a criminal? Not really. Am i some nut who wants to shoot up a school or a hospital? No. Hell i dont even use it for self/home defense, I have a Judge i would rather use. So why do I or thousands of other people across the nation own this kind of gun? WE WANT TO. Some people fish or hike, some like to shoot. Ive heard people at my college say things like, why cant you shoot something different? Ok lets compare our options here... My roomate has a bolt action Winchester .30-06. Holds 4 rounds. The AR15 shoots a .223 caliber round. Most people that want to outlaw hi capacity magazines and assault weapons have never owned a gun! This is what bothers me when some girl says i can target shoot all i want with a .30-06. OK.. You cant shoot 10 rounds without bruising the shit out of your shoulder! The AR15, barely kicks at all. Its a smaller round, smaller cartridge. Not as loud. Not as expensive. Another stat i saw was there were a few hudred firearm related deaths in the US since the shooting and less than one percent was with a gun that would classify as an assault weapon. Just food for thought.

Skinny, cant say I disagree with you, however when you send your kids to school after all this BS then. we can talk. In the end it only takes one bullet though I suppose

And this current craziness reminds me of safety standards in construction, nithing gets done till after people die! So much for looking ahead.