maybe from now on i should include a smiley face everytime i'm trying to display a bit of lighthearted sarcasm and levity, i'm only busting balls by referencing you silly! i'm not stupid, i'm well aware of where you stand so i thought it would be a bit funny to paint you all the way to one side, guess i was wrong! what can i say, most people have an issue or 2 where they feel strongly, mine just happens to be this, so it is what it is, similar to ivy and religon/gay marriage.

i'm very open to a debate or a discussion, and whether or not you agree with me, i've spent time both addressing and debating the concerns, questions, and many criticisms in this thread, only to have my contributions ignored entirely or brushed aside with some fancy legal talk. one of the main issues that i have with these debates is its just assumed that there should be a compromise right off the bat, something that can cause a great deal of disagreement from the very start. a wise man once told me that you are never going to change a mans opinions on religon, race, politics, drugs ect, so i try and keep that in mind. but hey, you started this thread, so..... have a good day sir!

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Fair enough, kid .

And that wise man who once told you that you are never going to change a man's opinions on religon, race, politics, drugs, etc?

You're right. He does sound very wise .

Come to think of it, if those guys who were sent to kill Vito Corleone had military style weapons with 30 round clips, there would be no Godfather story.
Does this make Coppola and Puzo a couple of wimp, socialist, Obama loving, commie homos?

A long read, but from what I have started it looks very well writen...I need to get back to it and read some more







I know why....it is that sexy pizzaboy advatar... and all that manly guns talk mixed with that Gay marraige posts and locking women up for ten yaers....YEAH the the reason!

By the way it is a joke for some of you who get their thongs in a twist so quickly or to dumb to know the difference...

and if you don't find that funny...then a quote from Pizzaboys last post: "Who gives a fuck?"

This just in: Justice Dept. reports sharp drop in gun crimes and homicides. Not what the article says about where criminals get guns:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/...port-finds?lite

Evidently the number of households with guns has also dropped precititously, which is why the NRA is marketing them to children. Reminds me of Joe Camel.

Didn't your daddy ever take you out and play with you?
Or did you get the "no you can't have one, because you would shoot your eye out!"

Weren't you from the cap gun generation? DT

A litle cowboy suit with the real looking cowboy hat along with a nice pair of six guns.

Even that kind of stuff is now taboo after the whinners started complaining enough.

This does prove several of the points we have talked about tho.

worth a watch...

Time to close out this thread, Moderators. I think we all know where everyone stands on this issue, and I have a sneaky feeling no minds are going to be changed.

Sneaky? Really? I think the vitriol spewed in this thread has been the exact opposite.

Understatement, SB. Very little evidence of minds in this thread at all.

I concur. In the words of Boz Scaggs:

Posts, look what you've done to me.
Never thought I'd post again so easily
Oh, posts, you wouldn't lie to me
Leading me to feel this way

That is it! call for it to be closed.

lets see it looks like all anti gun people making this call...



Not getting your way on capital hill and even in this thread so lets close it!

You don't want to post in it, then don't but never call for a thread to be closed.

It stinks....almost like censorship!

Wow I haven't seen that word since I was in Chemistry class!
Now those were the days.

you pretty much nailed it! its pretty simple: if you don't want to post in a particular thread, then don't, nobody is holding a gun to your head. it might come as a surprise to some on here, but just because someone might vehemently disagree with you on certain topics, that doesn't translate into grounds for closing the thread!

I still don't understand the gun obsession. I'm ready to learn. So leave the thread open.

Who the hell is Boz Schaggs

I must say I am bit surprised this thread is 25 pages long and is still going...

its a high capacity thread!

Tons of extended clips thats for sure.

Personally, I dont care much about this issue. But I am always surprised by the number of people who consider it their hot topic issue on top of other more important (imo) issues out there. But to each their own. I am always happy to see people voice their opinions on an issue. Anything to get the average American involved in the day-to-day political discussions is always a plus in my book.

the deeper that you dig into the issue, the more that you will find that the majority of people who defend their 2nd amendment right so vigorously are more concerned with the bigger issue at stake, government intervention/regulation. that is one of the biggest issues currently facing us in my opinion. it ties into most of the other major issues currently facing us, be it economic or foreign policies.

Less guns = less homicides. Is that so hard to figure?

True, but connecting regulation of guns with foreign interventions or regulations of certain industries is a different issue(s) with its own set of pros/cons. Each should be tackled on its own accord to warrant giving it proper discourse.

You're gonna lose some followers if they have to do math here.

less swimming pools, less drownings.

By Emily Alpert May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.

Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes, two new studies of government data show.

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the Pew Research Center.

In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn of the millennium.

The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted. Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.

The bureau also looked into non-fatal violent crimes. Few victims of such crimes -- less than 1% -- reported using a firearm to defend themselves.

Despite the remarkable drop in gun crime, only 12% of Americans surveyed said gun crime had declined compared with two decades ago, according to Pew, which surveyed more than 900 adults this spring. Twenty-six percent said it had stayed the same, and 56% thought it had increased.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,3022693.story

True lol

you are right to an extent. i'm not a big fan of comparing apples to oranges, but its warranted sometimes to help break through the mental block that some people have when they base their opinions on nothing more than emotion.

As a society, we would be foolish to compare these vastly different apples to oranges. Now THAT would really create the mental block that is caused when people base their opinions on emotions.