The killing of Salvie Testa. Loyal beyond loyalty, gangster to the core are just some words to sum the guy up. Scarfo was a selfish, unloyal and greedy bum.

Your right Testa is in Butner medium security - http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...p;x=32&y=25

and Senter is in Allenwood - http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...p;x=64&y=13

Other members of the mafia in Allenwood include Tommy Pitera - http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...mp;x=47&y=6 and Louis Daidone - http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...p;x=15&y=16

Testa supposedly hangs out (or did) with a Russian mob rat, maybe he doesn't care about the life anymore.

90 % of guys that get killed are for the wrong reasons, there are other methods to deal with guys that screw up, not kill anybody..jealousy, power plays, ego..that is what motivates these killers

Bronx is 100% right. Perfect example Ralph Coppola

Ralph coppola

look who gave up ralph, barney!!

Alot of people would disagree with that. I obviously have no clue either way and don't really have an opinion on the subject, but one of the most respected posters here (at least by me) has said he thinks Barney had nothing to do with it, which at least makes me doubt his involvement.

I've never believed it, Bronx. But every time it comes up I go down the rabbit hole with Ivy League, so I'll just agree to disagree.

Maybe it's because I grew up with them, but I just don't believe it and I never will. I saw Ralph at Zerega and Westchester maybe a week before he disappeared. There used to be a dive there called The Shack. The guy didn't have a care in the world.

Ralphie's biggest problem was that he wasn't a tough guy. To tell you the truth, he was honestly kinda soft. And when Barney went away everyone lost whatever fear of them that they may have had. My opinion? Farby was a brokester who envied their money, and he was easily talked into giving the order.

PB, whos nickname is Farby??

Frank Serpico. He was the acting at the time.

if people knew he was soft, why kill him? barney had to know..who would have the balls to kill his main guy and no bodies when barney comes home..were they compare's?

PB has explained this so many times, I think I'll save him the trouble this time around. Basically Barney was in jail, the acting boss was Farby serpico. Someone complained to the chin that Coppola was pocketing money, chin gave the nod and that was it for him. Nothing Barney could do. That's in a nutshell

The decision to wack Robert "D.B" Dibernardo was a bad one because Sammy just wanted his businesses and money.

Nobody said Action Jackson?....Really? Not even because I'm a Chicago guy just on the sense that he was killed for assumably having flipped when in fact he told the FBI to "go whistle" when they asked him to flip.

When police found the almost nude body of Jackson in the trunk of a car parked in Chicago, his body was face forward with rope marks on his wrists and feet. He had many cuts and burns all over his body, his chest had been crushed and he had a hole in his right ear from some kind of sharp object.

Jackson was impaled a foot in the air through his rectum with a meat hook while being questioned by mob enforcers. Jackson kept insisting he was not a rat but his torturers did not believe him. They stripped him naked, smashed his knee caps with a bat, shot one of them with a gun, broke his ribs, stuck him with sharp objects, used a cattle prod on his penis and anus making him lose his bowels, burned parts of his body with a blow torch, and told him how they were going to kill his wife and kids if he did not confess. Then they left him for three days until Jackson finally succumbed to his wounds and died.

I mean sure, there's worse ways to go out....but this is without debate one of the most gruesome notorious gangland murders in history and it was all for nothing, worse off he was a well liked guy. And a black juice collector with respect IN CHICAGO....IN THE 60's....nuff said

I fully expected someone else to jump on you for saying Tommy Del was a "reluctant gangster". Have u ever read MobFather? You said his name for a reason so you must know some things about him. This guy was half polish and was probably the biggest wannabe in the entire Scarfo regime/era. Million miles from 'reluctant' mi amico

Testa was no saint whoever said that was correct, but he was murdered by his friends based on lies and jealousy. And Action....eh,why take a chance? lol

Theres been so many un-justifiable murders in the mob and cosa nostra in sicily especially during shorty riina's tenure, matter fact as far back as leggio or dr.michele navarra.

Sonny Black without question.

What makes you think his murder was the worst out of interest?

He helped Rusty win the war only to be kill,for Donnie bs and almost everyone in the family who murder him became a rat.Sonny i thnk was a real man to know he was going to die and did not rat or run and hide,Stand up guy

What happened to Sonny Black could have happened to anyone. Donnie had everyone fooled, even Trafficante.

I don't know if would be the "worst decision" but according to which theory you believe, Tony Spilotro's infamous cattle prodding/meat hook up the wazoo/knee-breaking torture of Action Jackson was based on the incorrect belief that Jackson was a rat.

But Gus Russo wrote that that theory is wrong and they actually did that to Jackson because he had raped a woman.

Going by definition, the worst was probably Castellano. He doesn't get offed, who knows? Gotti might have gotten killed and the family may not have been rocked as bad as it was in the late 80's/early 90's. Although it's anyone's guess as to who would have stepped up once Castellano was jailed.

Good pick but Neil kept John off Paul for a years plus

Presumably Bilotti would've.

This is what im thinking even if he was pocketing money the genevese could have gotten way more out of him in the last 15 years,This guy was a great earner.

And barney now is the top top guy he could of avenged RC and shelved this frank serpico.(lol this guy has the exact same name as the least corrupt cop in history)


A few years ago i read an article on RC and in the comments section there was a guy who was apparently a guy who knew/related to RC and he had nothing but bad things to say about barney and none else.He didnt mention the genevse or the life his anger was very specific at barney for not only whacking him but also for bringing him into the life

By the time Barney came home from prison Farby was long dead from cancer. Chin was already dead too, for that matter. So what would have been the upside in going after the shooters? They were just following orders. Besides, Barney is old school. If Chin told him to eat it, he would have had to eaten it, even it had been his own brother. That's the life.


It's true that the Coppolas resent Barney. Ralph was soft. He was a suburbs guy. But he loved the money and the so called "glamor" of the life.

His family blaming anyone is hypocritical because they sure enjoyed the money, and everyone and their mother who was even half-assed related to Ralph ended up with a high paying job at the Javits. That's a fact that they don't bitch about when blaming Barney. Some of them are still in the carpenters union. Hypocrisy, plain and simple. I hate to use a fictional media example, but think Carmela Soprano throwing fit after fit but keeping the jewelry and the beach house .

Barney is no angel. God only knows how many guys aren't here today because of him. But it's just my OPINION that Barney cared about Ralph. He just couldn't save him.

Again, I don't claim "inside knowledge," other than some mutual friends and having crossed paths a few times over the years. It's just my opinion .

Gotti's decision to kill castelano..Basically was the start of the end for the mob..They had it very good until that happened !!

As for roy demeo, i don't know if he would have become a snitch or not, but castelano killing him made it much easier for gotti to kill castelano !!

I agree it was a bad decision, but they didn't have it "very good" at that point. The Commission indictments had already been handed down, and Castellano had major heat coming from DeMeo's stolen car clusterfuck.

Gotti pretty much saved Castellano from life in prison .

lol...Both are true as well, good points..The commission case hurt them, but they were still a powerhouse being slowly chipped at..I think gotti sped up the process big time!!