I apologise for posting that, it should of been handled in PM's not on a forum post.

I never heard such a crack of shit.

"I admire the fact you stick to your guns, but sometimes in life you gotta give a little. Tow the line between standing up for what you believe in and arrogance."

and what do you call what you have been doing all thru this thread?

If you don't like what he posts, why don't you just move on pass his posts?

Are you opsessed with him or something. Do you crave the attention from him?

Are you on here because you don't have any friends or a normal life?

Follow your own advice, fs. I'm surprised at you for this kind of post.

Your right, I don't know what got in to me.
I am sorry.
I know he just can't help himself. Addition is tuff to break. I just thought I would point it out to him so he may see it from a different direction.

again sorry. peace to you all.

I'm just trying to take the middle ground fs. Not be arrogant or hypocritical. I just enjoy debating with people, although I admit my personal feelings get in the way of posting objectively at times

IvyLeague you sound like you are jewish and you also sound like you are a lawyer. Personally I don't support gay marriage because I myself am not gay and I don't want the gays fucking and re-fucking our system by taking advantage of "family" insurance benefits. I'll put up with them and their faggy (a more politically correct way to say this is "creative" and "artsy") way's but idealistically and in theory it would be nice if people in general would stick to one person and that person be of the opposite sex. As far as using proof and scripture along with math and science to say why someone is gay it's got something to do with both genetics and the drugs they or their parents were using. I can understand why the blacks get offended when they are compared directly to gays as homosexuality is something that is present in all races. As far as transgender any doctor that performs sex change procedures in my humble opinion is unethical and immoral.

^Ivy isn't a lawyer nor is he jewish. He's mormon. Thought I'd help you out with that.

I think I'm certainly on the right, i.e. a conservative. I don't think I'm on the far right. I think the ideal situation is for wives/mothers to be home with their children, at least while they're growing up. I don't think any sane, honest person can argue with that. And I also don't think not believing women should be in combat is "far right." Believing they should be, or can be, is what's extreme. After all, there's a reason that, down through history, men have done the vast majority of the fighting in wars. And no amount of social re-engineering, where we pretend that men and women are the same, is going to change that. As for the Constitution being inspired by God, well, I don't know why that's so hard to believe. But I guess one would have to believe in God first.



As I've pointed out before, you seem to be coming from the position that, because you don't know, that must mean nobody does. And I'm not really talking about some of the more trivial stuff we discuss but in terms of the fundamentals, i.e. God, the purpose for this life, where we're all going, etc. Isn't that rather arrogant?



Stir hatred? I think you make a mistake in equating my beliefs to wanting to put blacks in the back of the bus, etc. But that's the skewed view liberals have of conservatives. That we're closet racists/misogynists who want to go back to some earlier time. I'm fine with living in the 21st century. But knowing what I do, I see certain things for what they really are and not the "progress" you and others believe them to be.

The descendants of Vichy and the Anti-Dreyfusards are now angry in France. Differnet uniforms, different causes, its the same garbage. And times like these when the garbage piles up and stinks, you have to take the trash out.



http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/french-hostility-same-sex-marriage-article-1.1362037

Unfortunately the backlash isn't restricted to France, Ronnie. I'm not sure how closely you follow the New York media (I suspect that you do). But are you aware that gay bashing crimes are up something like 300 percent here, in uber-liberal New York City, since same sex marriage kicked in?

A couple of weeks ago a gay man was shot dead at point blank range, basically an execution, on the corner of West 8th Street and Sixth Avenue. His crime was holding hands with his boyfriend. This hits particularly close to home for me because I manage a property that's owned by myself and some family on West 8th, just off MacDougal, not even a full block away.

Now that's the heart of the storied West Village. The 10011 zip code boasts some of the highest property values in the country. Violent crimes in that neighborhood are almost unheard of today. It's home to God knows how many Hollywood types. But there's always been a good sized gay population in the Village, too, even prior to Stonewall (although it's now dwindling because even they're getting priced out).

And let's face it, God knows that not all gay men are meek and afraid. That's an ugly stereotype. But a lot of them still won't fight back for fear of public humiliation. So this will continue to be an uphill battle. It's Pollyannaism to think otherwise. The laws have finally caught up with the times, but that's not going to stop the hate all together, even here in uber-liberal New York City.

There used to be a very ugly saying among the cops in the Village back in the '60s, '70s and '80s. If you're offended by such things, stop reading. It went something like this: The only thing a fag won't blow is a whistle. The connotation being that even after they get beat down, they still won't file a report for fear of trouble at home, embarrassment at work, etc. And until that attitude changes, this shit will continue.

It is sad, but with progress always comes bloodshed.

Ivy is Mormon?? I personally don't have a huge problem with Mormon people as there are a ton of them in Idaho, Utah, etc BUT some say it is a MADE up religion.

Well take it up with him. He would probably wouldn't mind talking about being Mormon or whatever you wanna ask him.

loll! no thanks those people ride around on bikes everywhere to spread their word they are a little TOO extreme for my taste.. laissez-faire‎..

Former Navy SEAL 6 member has come out as a Transgender.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/transgender_former_gender_identity_wfdGBGZTgPh46LcauuT3qL




I wasn't aware of recent troubles in NYC but I should've known. Barbarians tend to react with violence.

Here's a short article, Ronnie. There's a photo of the poor guy who was murdered in the Village last month. What's shocking is that while anti-gay crimes are actually down 4% in the rest of the country, they're up 4% here. That's an almost ten percent swing. But Manhattan is ground zero for these causes, so I guess that's why it's also a lightning rod for the crazies.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/violent-gay-bashing-cases-rise-4-nyc-article-1.1363402

The 10 Commandments!

There are plenty of Biblical references that admonish homosexuality, but the Ten Commandments are not among them. Nowhere does it say, "Thou shalt not cornhole your neighbor Jeremiah."

The Three Amigos!

The Magnificent Seven.

The Dynamic Duo!

The French should riot more, so should Americans. No way that gets voted on by people, polititions caving in, or taking bribes, are pushing these laws through.

Here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/nyregi...ed=all&_r=0

And here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/nyregi...?pagewanted=all

Are how this sick bill was legalized in New York. Money and behind door sneaky politics.

Jace, I bet when you saw LINCOLN you booed at him for the tricks he pulled to abolish slavery.

So I was right, since you can't argue on what I posted, and instead try comparing issue to slavery, and insinuate I am a bigot. Grow up. I posted truth, don't lie it? Tough luck. Voters in New York would have voted against it, as they did in California, where it was also snuck into law by politicians.

+1. RR usually posts with sense but he's clearly had a kneejerk reaction and called you a bigot from it. I dont have a problem with gay marriage, my uncle is gay and is a twin with my mum, i personally couldn't care less if gay marriage happened but i can completely understand why people are against it,labelling people who're against it a bigot because of their beliefs is wrong and ridiculous imo.

Yeah because we all know, all people against gay marriage are racists who are in favour of slavery.

What do you know about voters in New York? Fact is despite political deals the people voted for it and that's the way it is. Tough luck.

The people did not vote for it, it was not on ballot, so you are wrong there. All polls showed voters would vote it down, so they snuck it through, as I showed in above articles you obviously did not bother to read.

I live in New York State, born and raised upstate, Delaware County, past 2 years in New York City. So I know New York, but I don't know why you would ask "What do you know about voters in New York?" Do you think I am from somewhere else?

Any other questions?