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Iranian Election
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06/12/13 07:33 AM
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Non Resident Voting This Friday, June 14, 2013, millions will head to the polls to vote for the next president of the Islamic Republic of Iran. While the vast majority of votes will naturally come from voters inside Iran itself, many will also come from outside its borders as any documented Iranian citizen worldwide is eligible to cast a ballot in the race.
Last week, Hassan Qashqavi, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister for Consular, Parliamentary and Expatriates' Affairs and who also heads the Supervisory Body Overseeing Iran's Presidential Election Abroad, said, "The Iranian presidential election abroad will be held at 280 ballot stations in 120 countries on five continents concurrent with Iran."
According to official results, in the last presidential election in 2009, 234,812 votes were cast in countries outside Iran. In New York City, nearly 17,000 votes were cast, while in London, the number topped 10,000.
But just because Iranian citizens who don't live in Iran can legally vote, does that mean they should choose to exercise that right?
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: olivant]
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06/15/13 12:12 PM
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That is remarkable. Considering all of the resources the government devoted to suppressing the vote, it was a democratic victory. However, now we have to see how the mullahs will react. Coincidentally, the fella elected is a mullah, but he is a very advanced version of a mullah.  The fun part is, the rest of them were not, but they were either military veterans or had strong ties with the military like Ahmadinejad. He is the lesser of the evils available to us, still not a bad choice. We could've done a lot worse. And that's a done deal hopefully. Our supreme leader needed almost a democratic election to wash away the stain of 2009 election if that's possible at all.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: afsaneh77]
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06/15/13 12:36 PM
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That is remarkable. Considering all of the resources the government devoted to suppressing the vote, it was a democratic victory. However, now we have to see how the mullahs will react. Coincidentally, the fella elected is a mullah, but he is a very advanced version of a mullah.  The fun part is, the rest of them were not, but they were either military veterans or had strong ties with the military like Ahmadinejad. He is the lesser of the evils available to us, still not a bad choice. We could've done a lot worse. And that's a done deal hopefully. Our supreme leader needed almost a democratic election to wash away the stain of 2009 election if that's possible at all. Afs, Don't know anything about this guy but I thought of you when I saw they elected a "moderate" and was wondering your opinion. Hopefully it's a big improvement over "rat face.  (That still makes me laugh) TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Camarel]
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06/15/13 12:37 PM
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I just googled him and apparently he went to uni here in Glasgow not that far from my house. He claims that he has attended University of Glasgow under another surname, but the university has not affirmed this yet. So I can't confirm this part.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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06/15/13 12:41 PM
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afsaneh77
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Afs, Don't know anything about this guy but I thought of you when I saw they elected a "moderate" and was wondering your opinion. Hopefully it's a big improvement over "rat face.  (That still makes me laugh) TIS Hi TIS  Oh yes, that's an upgrade for sure. Too bad for all the comedians though.  He is more like Khatami, the previous president before rat face. Unfortunately at the time he was in Office, Bush was in office and a great opportunity to settle misunderstandings and mistrusts between our two countries was lost. I'm hoping this is the time that they finally sit down and have a talk.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Camarel]
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06/15/13 01:06 PM
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I just googled him and apparently he went to uni here in Glasgow not that far from my house. He claims that he has attended University of Glasgow under another surname, but the university has not affirmed this yet. So I can't confirm this part. It was actually Glasgow Caledonian University my older sister used to go there. I stand corrected. 
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: olivant]
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06/16/13 01:02 AM
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Despite the election results, keep in mind '79. The failure of the military to support the Shah resulted in what - a democratic Iran? The faux democracies in Egypt and Turkey have shown and are showing their true substance: it comes down to their respective militaries. People didn't want Shah back then. Had military acted, it would've been a coup. What happened in Iran in 79 is what's happening in Arab countries now, that so called Arab spring. Majority of people are misguided and want religion in power. After three and half a decade, we're gradually ready for a more secular regime on our own accord. But what happened in Turkey, was a king who made sure military wouldn't let religion take power. Who knows what majority of people want and if that doesn't eventually happen? Just as Europe went through renaissance to become more secular, this is the way. Every nation has to feel the grips of their religion on their daily lives to fully appreciate a secular government for which they have fought on their own. All that said, our military can do a coup after these results.  They have strongly religious and financially corrupt elements within them to withstand the change that people want.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: afsaneh77]
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06/16/13 10:42 AM
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I saw short clips of the crowds celebrating on the news last night. Sounds like most people are satisfied with the choice. Btw, how often are there elections in Iran? It seems like not that long ago since the last one. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Camarel]
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06/18/13 06:58 AM
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I just googled him and apparently he went to uni here in Glasgow not that far from my house. He claims that he has attended University of Glasgow under another surname, but the university has not affirmed this yet. So I can't confirm this part. It was actually Glasgow Caledonian University my older sister used to go there. BTW, GCU issued a statement yesterday. http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/article.php?id=59642
Last edited by afsaneh77; 06/19/13 07:14 AM.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: afsaneh77]
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06/18/13 08:43 AM
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All that said, our military can do a coup after these results.  They have strongly religious and financially corrupt elements within them to withstand the change that people want. Agreed. Seems to me whoever is in charge of internal security is in charge of Iran. All dictatorial regimes have this in common. Never trust a regime that is willng to kill its own people. The Tehran regime was pretty ruthless about this a few years ago. No regime interested in retaining power ever takes the hint. Their primary goal is to keep themselves in power. The current regime is feeling a bit of heat because of international sanctions, and no doubt they'll give a little here or there, but there's one thing they'll never give an inch on ... anything that threatens their control of political power. It's a tragedy for Iranian folks, and also for folks in other countries who suffer the terrorism which the Tehran regime continues to fund.
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Frank_Nitti]
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06/18/13 10:06 AM
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All that said, our military can do a coup after these results.  They have strongly religious and financially corrupt elements within them to withstand the change that people want. Agreed. Seems to me whoever is in charge of internal security is in charge of Iran. All dictatorial regimes have this in common. Never trust a regime that is willng to kill its own people. The Tehran regime was pretty ruthless about this a few years ago. No regime interested in retaining power ever takes the hint. Their primary goal is to keep themselves in power. The current regime is feeling a bit of heat because of international sanctions, and no doubt they'll give a little here or there, but there's one thing they'll never give an inch on ... anything that threatens their control of political power. It's a tragedy for Iranian folks, and also for folks in other countries who suffer the terrorism which the Tehran regime continues to fund. I'm by no means going to trust them, but I'm hoping that they would take a lesson from these past four years. Wishful thinking, I know. // BTW, something really interesting that I didn't know, is that even prisoners, especially political prisoners were and alway have been allowed to vote. Some have voted.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Lilo]
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06/18/13 05:27 PM
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Afsaneh, what do you think, is the hope in Rohani really justified? I mean, everybody had high hopes in Khatami who, in the end, couldn't do that much. If Rohani really tries some meaningful reforms, he will have to struggle against - the Pasdarân - the courts - the Guardian Council.
And possibly the parliament. What can he really do?
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Danito]
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06/19/13 01:04 AM
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Afsaneh, what do you think, is the hope in Rohani really justified? I mean, everybody had high hopes in Khatami who, in the end, couldn't do that much. If Rohani really tries some meaningful reforms, he will have to struggle against - the Pasdarân - the courts - the Guardian Council.
And possibly the parliament. What can he really do? In the context of living here in the past eight years, yes. We've lost unions. The house of cinema was closed down. The organization overseeing the budget was shut down. The economy is in a very bad shape, more due to lack of statesmanship within than sanctions imposed. There's a 30% official inflation rate, but actually the inflation rate is over 100%. The president has the executive power to remedy all these. Our relationship with other countries is a disgrace now. He has the power to improve that as well. Pasdaran is under the rule of the Supreme leader. If he has given this election to the center-left, it's expected that he would keep Pasdaran in line. I'm not 100% positive, but I'm hopeful that the supreme leader sees no happy ending for himself in sight if he wants to go an as he did in the past 8 years. Executive branch also could champion the free speech by letting more newspapers into the circle of publishing, better internet access and many things that concern Iranians. The guardian council's role outside the election is checking the laws congress passes and make sure they are not against the constitution. Their role in this matter is very little if you ask me. With this right wing congress, that's the least of president's problems. Courts are a different branch and the executive branch has no jurisdiction over them, only the supreme leader does. As for the foreign policy, the nuclear program of Iran and what's going on in Syria, there's a little wiggle room, and anything that can be accomplished relies heavily on how much the supreme leader wants to be lenient on these issues. For G8, maybe being hopeful is way too optimistic. For those of us living here, not so much. It impacts our lives for the better for sure.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Iranian Election
[Re: Frank_Nitti]
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06/19/13 09:41 AM
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Another question for you, Afsaneh, if you'll oblige me: Most of the oilfields in Iran are owned by the Iranian National Oil Company, but are they technically owned by the people like those in Iraq, whose 2005 Constitution states that all oil and gas is owned by “all the people of Iraq in all regions and governorates.” ? Just curious. Sure,  I'm not sure how that is in Iraq, but here government gets paid for selling the oil, and that pays for the whole budget. In our system executive power writes the budget, and congress has to pass that or make changes and then the two branch agree on the changes. So essentially not all the people get the oil revenue in a fair manner. For instance, those working for the oil ministry get higher salaries than those who work for education ministry. We don't have any other major source of revenue and depending on who is in the office, and their plans and consequently their budget, one field gets more attention than the other.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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