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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/20/13 04:58 PM
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Elmwoodparker, You're not all wrong but you're not all correct either. What young men who are college graduates belong to the Outfit and are related by blood or marriage? DiFronzo, Andriacchi, D'Amico, etc. have no younger male relatives who belong to the Outfit. They may have a relative or two that runs a legitimate business, but legitimate businesses are not ( at least during my father's day) part of the Outfit. That was always something separate, at least years ago. I don't see this white collar Outfit that you've created really being in existence. John DiFronzo doesn't care about the Outfit in any way. He is a rich, selfish asshole. As far as the South Side is concerned, Sarno had to actually use a motorcycle gang member to do some muscle work for him. That should show you that even the South side "Blue Collar" Group as you call it are on their last leg. LOL. That Anthony Calabrese mongoloid.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/20/13 09:39 PM
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With how difficult it is to get a loan these days I'm surprised sharking is gone in Chicago , that seems strange to me in a business that has good margins . Although I guess if the outfit uses no violence these days and no one is scared of them I guess no ow was paying them back .
The same logic probably applies to bookmaking
In NJ this is the mobs bread and butter will and likely will always be
Especially if a wise guy can Borrow funds from one of his legitimate companies at very low rates and lend it out , he could generate a very high margin business .
Sharking is still pretty big in the NJ bar , strip bar and italian restaurant scene , alot of bartenders and like still rely on it ( paycheck to paycheck workers ) , I know several of my friends do this $500 to a $1k here and there and with 1 good tip might they can pay it off.
If the mob was smart , they should of cornered the pay day loan market as they basically started it .
Btw Chicago you are the best and most realistic outfit poster on here , I very much welcome your addition to this forum and I'm very sorry for your loss
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/20/13 09:52 PM
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Come to think of it, there really hasn't been much in the way of loansharking charges in Outfit cases over the past decade.
These are the Outfit-connected bookmaking busts over the past decade, that I'm aware of...
April 2000 - 7 people, including Anthony and Carl Dote
February 2002 - 8 people, including William "Billy D" DiDomenico
July 2002 - Joel Glickman (paid street tax to Frank Calabrese)
August 2003 - Joseph "Pooch" Pascucci and Mary Daddano (daughter of Willie "Potatoes" Daddano)
June 2004 - 5 people, including Joseph "Pooch" Pascucchi and Demitri "Jimmy" Stavropolous
April 2005 - bookmaking among the charges in the Family Secrets indictment
February 2006 - 9 people, including Frank "Gumba" Saladino (Rockford)
Not sure about these...
July 2002 - 4 people, including Peter "Cuz" Demondo, Richard Demondo, and Frank "Knuckles" Mattelli
February 2012 - Anthony Buttitta and Dominick Buttitta
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/20/13 10:46 PM
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DB, Thank You. I'm still recovering 28 years later. The Outfit's tremendous strength years ago really started to dwindle in the late 1980's and rapidly continued in the 1990's. The RICO Act that put Auippa, Cerone, Lombardo & LaPietra in prison was devastating to the Outfit. This happened around 1986. They basically lost Las Vegas because of these actions. This all happened in the late 1980's. By the time the Family Secrets Trial came about, the Outfit was already mostly crippled, operating at about 1/4 speed. I'm not saying the Oufit is dead, but I'm comparing it to when I was growing up. There is simply no comparison. The 5 New York Families and the Chicago Outfit were it during the 1950's, 1960's,1970's and about 1/2 of the 1980's. The Rico Act, Attrition and retreatment of the top current talent has all been equally devastating over the last 25 years to the Oufit.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/21/13 04:32 PM
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DB, Thank You. I'm still recovering 28 years later. The Outfit's tremendous strength years ago really started to dwindle in the late 1980's and rapidly continued in the 1990's. The RICO Act that put Auippa, Cerone, Lombardo & LaPietra in prison was devastating to the Outfit. This happened around 1986. They basically lost Las Vegas because of these actions. This all happened in the late 1980's. By the time the Family Secrets Trial came about, the Outfit was already mostly crippled, operating at about 1/4 speed. I'm not saying the Oufit is dead, but I'm comparing it to when I was growing up. There is simply no comparison. The 5 New York Families and the Chicago Outfit were it during the 1950's, 1960's,1970's and about 1/2 of the 1980's. The Rico Act, Attrition and retreatment of the top current talent has all been equally devastating over the last 25 years to the Oufit. what do u think about the recruitment pool for Chicago?
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
[Re: cookcounty]
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06/21/13 05:10 PM
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Hi Cook County, Where do you live in the Chicago area? The recruitment pool in Chicago is still there but the desire is diminished. I'm sure there are enough Italian American men who want to belong to the Oufit, but once they really see what it is, they usually are not too interested anymore. The relatives of former Outfit active members are slowly inheriting the legitimate part of their predecessor's assets. So, if they are handed something legit, making decent money, use their former relative's connections to further their legitimate interests, why would they want to join the Oufit? See what I'm saying?
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/24/13 03:41 PM
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No. He was a West Coast Associate centered more around Arizona. He used to report to Spilotro. He was a Member/Associate of the Grand Ave Crew. He belonged to Lombardo.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/24/13 04:42 PM
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No. He was a West Coast Associate centered more around Arizona. He used to report to Spilotro. He was a Member/Associate of the Grand Ave Crew. He belonged to Lombardo. He grew up in Chicago alongside Spilotro and was very close to Mario DeStefano's son Sam. He was involved in the Hanhardt crew.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/24/13 11:35 PM
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Hi Cook County, Where do you live in the Chicago area? The recruitment pool in Chicago is still there but the desire is diminished. I'm sure there are enough Italian American men who want to belong to the Oufit, but once they really see what it is, they usually are not too interested anymore. The relatives of former Outfit active members are slowly inheriting the legitimate part of their predecessor's assets. So, if they are handed something legit, making decent money, use their former relative's connections to further their legitimate interests, why would they want to join the Oufit? See what I'm saying? there are plenty of guys out there who are earning who may not be made but are certaintly connected to the outfit doesnt make alot of guys anymore but they got alot of guys with them who arent just italian
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/25/13 12:37 AM
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Hey LittleNicky, Did you ever see the story I told about Elmwood's Uncle? Anyway, what you said is true enough, but the overall general desire and admiration for belonging to the Oufit as a made man or some Associate of some sort has diminished. It's still there, just diminished. All the guys I know personally would rather have nothing to do with the Oufit. But that's just me and my friends. Plus, I have a very personal reason to never have anything to do with the Outfit, but that's neither here nor there.
I haven't, any chance you could send me a link or at least the title of the thread. Thanks, i enjoy your posts you're clearly a level headed Chicago poster on this site that's unprecedented
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/25/13 12:58 AM
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Thanks Camarel, I think you read it already. You commented on it. It's under 'Most Power Boss' thread.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
[Re: Chicago]
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06/25/13 01:20 PM
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Hey LittleNicky, Did you ever see the story I told about Elmwood's Uncle? Yea, great story. Dude was a loud-mouth that literally knew nothing about the modern outfit.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
[Re: Chicago]
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06/25/13 04:00 PM
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Hey LittleNicky, Did you ever see the story I told about Elmwood's Uncle? Anyway, what you said is true enough, but the overall general desire and admiration for belonging to the Oufit as a made man or some Associate of some sort has diminished. It's still there, just diminished. All the guys I know personally would rather have nothing to do with the Oufit. But that's just me and my friends. Plus, I have a very personal reason to never have anything to do with the Outfit, but that's neither here nor there. You forgot to link to AmericanNewsPost Joe  Now tell us why you feel Marco is not made.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/25/13 04:45 PM
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Chitown, Don't quite understand your posting? Marco D'Amico is made and has been for a long time. He simply retreated with DiFronzo etc. Joe Fosco from American News Post is a con man. His story about his alleged extortion was all bullshit to cover up the fact that he never received any of the money he helped Cerone Jr. and Fratto con out of his friend Vasselli. Fosco changed his story. First he said his family was conned out of $500,000 Dollars, then he said Vasselli actually put up $400,000 Dollars of it and his family lost only $100,000. I explained this to Ivy in a personal message last week.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/25/13 04:51 PM
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PP, The South Side is operating like normal. The North Side is not involved with them and as far as I can tell, receives nothing. DiFronzo Brothers, Andriacchi & D'Amico are all extremely wealthy and do not want to spend the rest of their lives in prison. It's like the Star Quaterback (DiFronzo) quit the team to go play golf instead of risking injury and then a few of the other good players on the team quit with him. Now, the second string team is on the field.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/26/13 01:47 PM
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PP, The South Side is operating like normal. The North Side is not involved with them and as far as I can tell, receives nothing. DiFronzo Brothers, Andriacchi & D'Amico are all extremely wealthy and do not want to spend the rest of their lives in prison. It's like the Star Quaterback (DiFronzo) quit the team to go play golf instead of risking injury and then a few of the other good players on the team quit with him. Now, the second string team is on the field. I find it hard to believe there's no gambling or loansharking up north the northside is where all the money is at and has been for years not too mention that they can legally obtain money from poker machines
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/26/13 01:48 PM
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Jonnynonos, Maybe I'm thinking of something else I saw which was some kind of tax return. Mob guys do make tax returns. Mob guys do report SOME kind of income from poker machines. Poker machines are not illegal. The only time they become illegal is when the FEDS CAN PROVE PAYOUTS FOR WINNINGS were made.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/26/13 01:57 PM
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PP, The South Side is operating like normal. The North Side is not involved with them and as far as I can tell, receives nothing. DiFronzo Brothers, Andriacchi & D'Amico are all extremely wealthy and do not want to spend the rest of their lives in prison. It's like the Star Quaterback (DiFronzo) quit the team to go play golf instead of risking injury and then a few of the other good players on the team quit with him. Now, the second string team is on the field. I find it hard to believe there's no gambling or loansharking up north the northside is where all the money is at and has been for years not too mention that they can legally obtain money from poker machines Only the most desperate among mankind would be so unwise as to take a loan out from a loanshark these days. Even the userous interest rates from the payday loan companies is the bargain of the century compared to the vig! As far as gambling, I imagine most of it has also moved online. Harry Aleman in his last interview said there was no bookmaking left in the city and if there was any, it was with a few old Jews on the north side. Of course that is coming from Harry Aleman, so must be taken with a grain of salt, but I still thought it was an interesting comment.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/26/13 01:58 PM
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Cook County, I didn't say there was no gambling or poker machines on the North Side. I said there were none in Elmwood Park. As far as that activity being done on the North Side, it exists. But again, DiFronzo etc. have retreated from the Outfit which means any activity on the North is being done independently or is controlled by the South Side. If you choose to believe those guys never retreated then that's fine with me. No problem.
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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit
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06/26/13 01:59 PM
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Jonnynonos, Maybe I'm thinking of something else I saw which was some kind of tax return. Mob guys do make tax returns. Mob guys do report SOME kind of income from poker machines. Poker machines are not illegal. The only time they become illegal is when the FEDS CAN PROVE PAYOUTS FOR WINNINGS were made. Right. These were the receipts from the gambling. That was an interesting post. It was all the raw files from Secrets. Very interesting, particularly the recorded conversations of Marcello as he realized he was in trouble. Funnily enough several of those convictions came somewhat close to being overturned on appeal!
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