I've also seen that theory floated a lot too. If you look at the recent cases on the FBI's website, they seem to have had time to go after other criminal groups.

Bottom line, people can throw out all the excuses they want. What will they say in another 10 years when we've still seen little to nothing in the way of mob activity in Detroit?

Do you have any other examples in 30 years where a family was sufficiently "low key" to avoid indictments for over a decade?

It doesn't happen- and its because there is very little criminal activity to prosecute out of the Detriot mafia.

Detroit is a slum that is 80% black (i'm black if anybody can't tell)

Detroit's fbi has their hands full with crime that ain't mafia related

go "research" detroits crime stats if you're in disbelief

do u think its possible that if the old man tocco dies or officially retires in the next couple of years and some1 younger like the bathrobe or whoever takes over whatever it is thats left of the family we could see a whole new rise in activity?

I'm familiar with Detroit's crime stats. Other cities, like Chicago or Camden, also have big crime problems. But we still see more regular mob busts in Chicago and Jersey than we do in Detroit.



I don't think the absence of activity has much to do with who's the boss at the moment but more in relation to the state of the family as a whole.

Ya i guess i was just thinking if there was a young more energetic boss might bring in some new blood or go into new business ventures. Although in Detroit it looks like the only real moneymaker would be drugs and i dont think they were ever really into that. But i think somebody else put it pretty accuratley that they arnt so much a viable mafia family but an extended family through blood and marriage of criminals with some being active and some not.

I can't even recall the last time the Detroit family was busted for drug trafficking. If Jackie Giacalone is smart, once he officially takes over (supposedly he's already the acting boss) he should stick to taking his tribute from relatively safe bookmaking and invest his money in legit stuff.

Ya if he can make money without the feds harrasing him he should stick with that. Drugs seams like a pretty sure way to get 20 years.

I was looking at the detroit chart and i saw they had what was called a counsel emeritus. Does any1 know what purpose it has. Is it just another level of insolation or a panel of consiglires?

In that context, "emeritus" seems to mean that the guy still holds a lot of clout (due to age, experience, and past rank) despite not technically being part of the administration.

O ok ya that would make sense thanks.

Ive been readin this site for a long time and while I cant verify whedther you guys are knowledgable on other subjects I can say that witout a doubt you guys have it 100% backwards on Detroit. I am a detroit native who grew up on the eastide. I can honeslty taht if you think LCN in detroit is non existant your crazy. I aint gonna get into specifics about what I know, who I know or how I now out of respect for certain friends, but lets just start wit that you are way off

tony p is boss
has been for 3 years
petey m is under
thats all i gotta say
im out

Nobody said the Detroit mob is "non-existent." However, it has neither the size, scope, or activity that some believe it still does. At least there's not much evidence of it. And the various excuses for this don't really hold up. Whatever is left of the mob there, and there's conflicting opinions on that even among OC experts, doesn't go much beyond gambling.

Also, you saying Tony Palazolla is boss conflicts with other rumors that Jackie Giacalone has taken over from Jack Tocco.

Sounds good. YOu got hte right to your own opinin. god bless

as far at the topic

jackie g didnt want the heat anymore and didnt have the balls to take over

tony p is a real street guy who has the respect of the troops and is looking to grow the family. theyve made a bunch of guys in the last 2 years. petey m's nephew anthony S is a capo now as well

good night yall

Ivy is spot on Detroit does still have a viable family but not as many made men as people here would like to believe.

They are very low key and very connected I mean by blood.

Also not sure what anyone is saying here. Jackie G is taking over for Jack he has been molded into this role for a long time.

Jackie G is a gangster by all means so anyone here saying he is not a real street guy needs to think about what they are saying before speaking.

Scalish. With all due respect to you and Ivy. But the guy says hes a native detroiter who knows people. So if he has something to say why would I respect your opinion from Canada over his?

Outsiders always say that a particular city doesnt have a mafia but the people that actullay lives there are scared to speak thier name

No one said there was no LCN in Detroit, all I am saying is that is may not be as powerful as some want to think.

Seriously Detroit? I do believe there's still a family there, but cmon the most crime and murder ridden city in the US and the citizens are scared of 50 at the most Italians.

Yes, he says. I could say I'm Jack Tocco. Remember, we're on the internet. Now, this is not to say that I don't think guys from a given area have info to give. But you can't take that at face value and ignore everything else. If somebody from Milwaukee came on the board and said Milwaukee was still plugging along, should I believe them despite there not being a mob case there in nearly 30 years?

He says they made a "bunch of guys" in the last few years, maybe that's been happening off'n'on for the last decade and they are 40-50 strong. That's nothing to sneeze at....

Just saying, is it that far fetched...?

Considering they were at 30 members at most back in 1996, I'd say it's not likely they have 40-50 today. Especially when those so little discernible activity.

That doesn't mean anything. I bet he knows you, too.

Yes, it is far fetched. If the Chicago Outfit has 30 Made guys with 120 full time associates, then Detroit has maybe 15 to 20 made guys and 60 to 80 full time associates.
They were always similar to Chicago except smaller. They have always been traditionally 1/3 to 50% smaller than Chicago.

Ivy's estimate backed by the Feds information of Detroit having 30 made guys in 1996 would correspond to the Outfit having about 50 active made men back at that time which is what Nick Calabrese stated in the Family secrets Trial. Again, this is 1/3 to 50% of the total.
In addition to all of this, there has been very little activity in Detroit as far as street rackets. It's been more legit and white collar like the Elmwood Park & Grand Ave crews in Chicago.
Some of the guys that The DETRIOT poster thinks are made are probably relatives of former made men running legit businesses just like in Chicago. Detroit partnership is not all of a sudden bigger than the Outfit. There is no evidence to support it. Yes, Detroit Partnership is one of the 10 Mafia Groups still active in America. No question.

Excellent post on every single point.

Can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic here.

Serious.

Ah in that case I agree with you.

It's still around, but as Scott Burnstein (perhaps the leading expert on the family, though he perhaps gets a little too worked up when talking about how effective they are IMHO) says, there are very very few younger members under 50 or so, and he thinks the family will kind of fizzle out in about 20 years because of this.