If a man enters into marriage with three different women, as in polygamy, are the women only married to the man and not to each other? Aren't the women all in the relationship together? Aren't the women sharing household duties, helping one another raise their children?? How does this differ from same sex marriage?

Babe, it's a function of who are parties to the license and take the vows.

polygymists are were gays were in the begining.

Many are underground and not going to step out because of fear.
and please tell me- who are they hurting if all concerned are agreeable?
If little Johnny can have two mothers why can't he have two mothers and a father?

There are two approaches to polygamy. One is obviously rooted in religion. Religious polygamy has always been in the form of one man, two or more women. Granted that the 1st amendment guarantees the right of practicing any and every religion, the line is drawn where such practices harm others. Since in religious polygamy women hardly have a choice in such a marriage, that obviously goes against their freedom and consent, again upheld by the same constitution. If a mechanism is used to insure that women are entering such marriages of their own free will, I think such unions should be allowed. However, I don't think the government would be too keen to extend the benefits of marriage to the 2nd and 3rd wives. I suppose if that would be the case, many women would think twice before getting involved in a harem way of life. Young boys with no chance of getting a mate is another bad side effect of such unions.

The 2nd approach to polygamy, might sneak in sooner than we think with the overpopulation of the earth and shortage of resources. It's a communist approach. People who realize they can't afford to work and pay for all the childcare expenses might join forces. Imagine four people, three working and bringing home the dough, one staying and taking care of the children. They could provide better for their kids. Just for a moment take the sex or swinging out of the equation and just consider the economics of such a relationship. As mentioned in the previous approach, the government recognizing such clusters of society as marriages is too much to expect.

Here is why they should not be allowed to marry or adopt. This is a very sick story.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-treatment.html

Yeah so? The kid wants to be a girl. Notice they have a other kid who's fine being a guy. I got friends who were raised by gay couples and are straight as an arrow. Were you seriously trying to make a point with this?

Very seriously making a point, and you have got to be kidding!! How damn liberal are you trying to show yourself to be? Are you sick? Two women lesbians had a child they adopted start a sex change operation at age 8, how much more disgusting do things have to get in this world before people like you admit there is a problem? Do you think that acting nonchalant to anything homosexuals do is a way of showing how cool you are? Its not. No one in right mind can defend this. It's child abuse, OF WORSE KIND. Worse maybe than pedophilia. This is outrageous. Taking a boy and turning him into a woman through surgery while he is a minor----If this does not wake people up, nothing will.

It's not just his parents. If mental health professionals who evaluated him are comfortable to go ahead with his treatment, so am I. Please do not wake me up again.

Are they the same mental health professionals who ok'd your release? If so, they are unqualified to judge anyone.

Said the hysteric who instead of looking into the legitimacy of the hospital performing such operations, accuses same sex parents because she is prejudiced against them, as if they got the drugs over the counter and decided to change the sex of their son on their own.

How sick and prejudiced are you to even think this is child abuse? It's because you're fucking ignorant. I can't tell you how many kids I know that are straight that were raised by gay couples. So before you run your mouth think carefully as to who you call sick and disgusting and what you call child abuse. If this kid wanted a sex change with straight parents would you care?

I don't agree with a lot of what ivy says, however he acknowledges gays are human and even he wishes the best for his gay brothers. You act as if gays are sub human. Well here's a newsflash for you: if you ever bothered to get to know a gay person or couple you might reconsider what you're saying. This case is a random coincidence, not the norm and certainly not abuse

and tell me this- is everyone who disagrees with you prejudiced against Gays?

When I first read the story I was saying to myself- You have to be kidding me. Then I started to read into the whole story and it pulled me in two directions. So Now I have to look at this a little bit more.

But I can tell you one thing- Your statement such as. "It's because you're fucking ignorant" -is uncalled for and unless you are the ignorant one, you should man up and appologize for saying that.

The child in question was 8, correct? As a parent, I would never, ever advocate or support such a serious effect that a sex change operation would have upon a child who is not able to understand the potential profound effects of such a medical procedure that is entirely optional.

I was against the death penalty till recently, then I started reading your posts.
These are sub humans. They had no right to do this to that child. It is child abuse. As for Ivy he can speak for himself on this if he chooses to do so.

If someone had said on first pages of this debate that lesbians and gays adopting would lead to something like them having 8 year olds get sex changes, the supporters of these total degenerates and politically gone mad people would have laughed, called everyone hysterical, and said it would never happen. They would say we were hysterical and overly paranoid, prejudiced, and out of our minds.

Well, two lesbians have a child they adopted, and they are changing his sex, saying "It's his wish." It's not hysteria, it's not stereotyping, it is happening. If there was sane leadership in the media, or in politics, this would have been stopped, the doctors who did the procedure would be jailed, and the boy taken away and placed with sane people.

Even at 17 it should have been disallowed. I think anyone wanting to change their sex through surgery is crazy, but enough loud-mouthed follow-the-pack Americans have been stupefied into thinking it is okay, So it is legal. If someone 18 or over wants it, then they can get it done. But now they are doing it to a child.

Alright let me clear this up.

@fathersson- no I don't think everyone who doesn't agree with me on this issue is prejudiced. That being said, to refer to then as sub human or sick or disgusting is. You can disagree with their lifestyle or on the subject of them getting married. Not everyone will be comfortable with it I know that. And secondly I do apologize to jace and the board for my comments. They weren't necessary.

@jace- my apologies for my statement. I also thought about it more myself and I do not agree a child as young as 8 should be allowed to under go a sex change. No one that age is old enough to realize the consequences of something like that. That being said I don't think it's due to this couple, I think they are simply trying to be good parents by supporting their kid just like anyone would. I also believe when someone is of age and has thought about it long and hard about their gender identity and decides they are in the wrong body it's perfectly fine. Nothing wrong or perverse about it.

He is only taking hormone blockers at this point. He has not had any surgery yet.

Well, if what you posted about the process is accurate, that's a different story. However, I am concerned about the influence of the parents upon child that may be skewed toward advocating gender change. It's one thing to promote my children's aspirations during their formative years to be engineer, doctors, or athletes; it's quite another to promote or even to acquiesce in the face of their aspirations to change their gender.

Normally I would not read Daily Mail for the life of me, but I went through this article. The couple have another son who is fine being a boy. There are more about him having speech impediment, his first words after learning sign language was that he thought he was a girl and that he had threatened to cut off his manhood at age seven. He was diagnosed by psychiatrists to have gender identity disorder. So what a parent is to do?

This story is a good thumb sketch of how bad things have gotten.

I can't imagine that this is a "choice". If so, who would make such a choice?? It's torture, you're often thought of as a "freak", so it's got to be a horrible way to live. However, there are people who are so convinced that they were born in the wrong body that they must consider surgery, it's not an easy surgery to get approved. There are all sorts of psychology tests and therapy that a patient must go through long before a procedure is approved. Also, there are years of hormone treatment that come before any surgery. I feel tremendous compassion for such a young boy.

Sonny and Cher's daughter was raised by two heterosexuals before deciding to undergo such surgery. I don't think the sexual preference of the parents has any impact on these decisions. If anything, though, perhaps being gay and having lived with bias may make them more capable of understanding and helping their child.

Right on SB. If one thing, I hope other transgender kids like this boy have understanding parents who wouldn't consider them insane, freaks and degenerates and provide them the professional help they need to go through the changes they want.

Understanding is one thing. Acceptance, in the form of playing along with the charade and acting like there's nothing wrong, is something else. As has been pointed out before, no amount of surgery, hormones, a new wardrobe, or new laws, can change DNA. It's funny how libs constantly tout "science" but then suddenly ignore it in a case like this.

Yes, no amount of surgery makes them feel accepted or complete. It doesn't mean we have to stop making them as comfortable as possible with their own body.

Obviously there is something wrong. Those who take action to rectify the issue are those who don't ignore that there is something wrong. It's a psychological issue that one feels alien toward their own body. DNA is one thing, but what are you to do when your mind tells you something else? Plus I'm not convinced that their brain might not have the DNA of the opposite gender. There has been cases of male DNA in female brains.

Their daughter made choice as an adult, these lesbians are letting an 8 year old do it. In fact hey seem to be encouraging it. Straight couples will follow.
A minor is not supposed to be able to decide on own to have sex, let alone change sex.

Please don't make stuff up. He is only deferring his puberty till 14-15 so he can make a decision then.

I made nothing up, what are you talking about? Is lying only thing you know how to do when you can't make a point?

You are saying an 8 year old is changing his sex. Didn't you? Well he isn't. He is only deferring puberty till 15. Please don't act innocent while lying in the broad daylight.