Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


Yep. This is what you libs do. Anyone who calls you on your BS you paint as prejudiced or not as cultured as you. rolleyes

Well I don't think anyone on this board's ever going to label you as eclectic and open minded, that ship sailed for you a loooong time ago. lol I'm just pointing out the petty-sophmoric nature of your 'argument' as all you've done is adamantly repeat over, and over again that "qualified whites shouldn't be passed over by unqualified minorities", as if there's no underlying societal factors involved and "qualified" isn't at all a subjective term.

If all you have is anecdotal evidence and you live in a state that's only 1% black, compared to states where the average is more around 30%, then you're lacking any credibility whatsoever.

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Do they experience racism? Some do, sure. But institutionalized racism? To such a degree that warrants and justifies affirmative action (i.e. reverse racism)? Sorry. That's a fantasy world you and other libs live in.

If you have evidence that it doesn't exist then cite it, b/c otherwise you're talking complete nonsense. You're the only opponent of AA I've ever encountered who thinks AA is a 'total BS idea' and insitutional discrimination is a fantasy land. If you were even as remotely concerned about a minority who gets passed over as you are a white then you wouldn't even be debating this issue.

Because I could give you loads of anecdotal evidence of judges, business owners and teachers in the deep South who doubled as KKK members, and how blacks there couldn't see a doctor b/c the only hospital in their podunk town only offered financing to "select" patients, but considering you think the African Americans on this board are living in a fantasy world, I doubt anything an observational Caucasian tells you would make a difference.

But there's nothing fantastical or imaginary about verifiable, replicable academic and institutional University study data:

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Racism and Nativism in American Political Culture -- a collection of curricular unit plans created by teachers in the Yale-New Haven Teachers Insititute.

Race and the Recession: How Inequity Rigged the Economy and How to Change the Rules -- an Applied Research Center report uncovers root causes of long-term racial inequities that fed into the economic crisis

Unequal Opportunity Lenders: Analyzing Racial Disparities in Big Banks' Higher Priced Lending -- a 2009 study showing that "Among high income borrowers in 2006, African Americans were three times as likely as whites to pay higher prices for mortgages -- 32.1% compared to 10.5 %. Hispanics were nearly as likely as African Americans to pay higher prices for their mortgages at 29.1%."

Institutional Racism in the US Health Care System Dayton University study

The Persistence of White Privilege and Institutional Racism in US Policy Documents several areas of non-compliance and makes recommendations for improvement

A Good Credit Score Did Not Protect Latino and Black Borrowers -- 2012 study of mortgages signed during the years 2004-2008 shows that African American and Latino borrowers with high credit scores were three or more times likely to be inappropriately "pushed into" high cost, high risk mortgages than whites with the same credit scores.

Structural Racism and Community Building - The Aspen Institute The Significance of Race to Poverty and Disadvantage

School Segregation on the Rise Despite Growing Diversity Among School-Aged Children Study from Harvard University

WHAT WORKS FOR THE CHILDREN? WHAT WE KNOW AND DON’T KNOW ABOUT BILINGUAL EDUCATION Harvard study. Currently, no national, state, or local strategy exists for comprehensively and adequately addressing the academic needs of children who are learning English.

THE MISUSE OF THE LSAT: DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BLACKS AND OTHER MINORITIES IN LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS THE RONALD H. BROWN CENTER FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SYMPOSIUM

Mind the Gap: Why Good Schools are Failing Black Students -- 2009 Ithaca College study about how in many well-funded suburban schools where white students are doing well, many black and hispanic students, even youth from middle-class families, are falling behind.

Racial Divide Runs Deep in U.S. Schools, Study Finds from 72,000 schools in the U.S. that reveals many racial disparities in U.S. schools, especially disproportionately high suspension and expulsion rates for African American youth.

Big Racial Gap in Suspension of Middle School Students -- a Southern Law Poverty Center 2010 report that documents the racial disparity in school suspension rates, raising serious questions about discipline policies and how they are implemented.

Accountability, Ability and Disability: Gaming the System? -- University of Florida study of the testing system in Florida public schools and describes how the testing system over-identifies students of color and poor students as having disabilities, based on the results of only one test.

Racial Bias Built Into Tests -- National Center for Fair and Open Testing study about a successful case brought against a statewide Texas aptitude test that was found to have racial bias built into its design

The Racial Wealth Divide Project -- research and publications documenting ways in which government policies have contributed to racial inequalities.

Historic Reversals, Accelerating Resegregation, and the Need for New Integration Strategies -- University research on key civil rights and equal opportunity policies that have been neglected or overlooked.

"Stereotype Threat" and Black College Students -- Article by Stanford Professor, Claude Steele, When capable black college students fail to perform as well as their white counterparts, the explanation often has less to do with preparation or ability than with the threat of stereotypes about their capacity to succeed.

Black Students Are Not Culturally Biased Against Academic Achievement Duke University study shows oppositional attitudes are "not learned in the black community, as some have suggested, but are instead constructed in schools under certain conditions, the product of life and experience in school, not the home culture."

Racism and Mental Health: The African American Experience University of Michigan Study on ways racism affects mental health

Fluff and Feathers: Treatment of American Indians in the Literature and the Classroom -- Article by Native American scholar, Cornel Pewewardy, Ph.D., about the need for more culturally responsive teachers of American Indian children

CollegeBoard: Latino Education -- provides concise information about barriers that Latino students face in school across all age groups.


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Howard, T. 2010. Why Race and Culture Matter in Schools: Closing the Achievement Gap in America's Classrooms. Teachers College Press.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
And, by the way, there are plenty of whites that don't have "every societal advantage" just because they're white. That you actually believe this shows you've been drinking the lib kool-aid way too long.
Perhaps if you peruse the links I provided above this holiday weekend you'll get a clue sometime between now and Monday, but I'll enjoy the holiday and won't hold my breath. wink