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Re: Why did Italians and Irish hate each other? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #728758
07/22/13 09:47 PM
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Yes totally agree with your view on the irish oc, as for shundler its kinda like micheal tufar o who someone made up about him being the boss of new orleans, he is also a real person down there who owns some legitimate bussinesses but has no oc connections. It seems when some1 wants make some bullshit up like that(for a reason i can possibly fathom), they figure if they choose some1 real and from that community people will b more inclined to buy into it. Yes the phildelphia irish mob thread on this site is a great way for someone to waste a lot of time and not really gain any new information, in case any1s interested lol.


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Re: Why did Italians and Irish hate each other? [Re: AmericanCrime] #728760
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The Irish were the first Catholic group to immigrate to America en mass, and they suffered vicious discrimination because of it. But, while many settled the land, even more settled in cities, and over time, they gained control of municipal politicls and controlled services like police, fire, sanitation, etc., when appointments of cops, firemen, etc., were made through political patronage. Irish priests also controlled the Catholic diocese of most cities and appointed pastors and administrators. So, when Italians immigrated to American cities later, they found themselves constantly having to compete with the Irish for the basics. By the time Italians swarmed to America, Irish were already well established (though by no means free of discrimination), so the Italians were on the bottom--and suffered even more discrimination. Most American bigots (and there were plenty) refused to consider them "white." That added to the friction beweeen Irish and Italians.

In my old neighborhood in Brooklyn, we had a riddle"

Q. How does the newspaper article reporting on an Italian/Irish wedding begin?

A. "Among the injured were..."


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Why did Italians and Irish hate each other? [Re: Turnbull] #728762
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
The Irish were the first Catholic group to immigrate to America en mass, and they suffered vicious discrimination because of it. But, while many settled the land, even more settled in cities, and over time, they gained control of municipal politics and controlled services like police, fire, sanitation, etc., when appointments of cops, firemen, etc., were made through political patronage. Irish also controlled the Catholic diocese of most cities and appointed pastors and administrators. So, when Italians immigrated to American cities later, they found themselves constantly having to go to the Irish for the basics--and they resented it.

By the time Italians swarmed to America, Irish were already well established (though by no means free of discrimination), so the Italians were on the bottom--and suffered even more discrimination. Most American bigots (and there were plenty) refused to consider them "white." That added to the friction beweeen Irish and Italians.

In my old neighborhood in Brooklyn, we had a riddle:

Q. How does the newspaper article reporting on an Italian/Irish wedding begin?

A. "Among the injured were..."



Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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