he is changing his sex, or having it changed for him. "Deferring Puberty??"
What kind of new politically correct crap term can they come up with next? Deferring puberty!

Afsenah, you are not here to discuss or debate, but just to lie, aggravate, and and argue.

Politically correct? Goodness. It's a medical term. I don't know how I could not sound patronizing when you refuse to read the yellow magazine's article you posted yourself and comprehend it before jumping here with false claims. I quote this here again, hoping this time you actually read it.

Afsanah, are you dumb or playing games? You quote the sick doctors who are trying to justify what they did to this young boy, they are using term that is politically correct term for an act that should be classified as criminal.

I should have asked you the same question like 5 posts back, but I refrained. You think everybody is sick, including those have gone to school, got a medical degree and are licensed by the government to do what they do. If you really think that's criminal why don't you take the matter to the social services or courts? Please don't tell me the social services' employees and judges are sick as well. If you think everybody is sick, just maybe you should check your own mental health.

There are corrupt judges, and corrupt doctors. And sick ones. Then there's you, a sick poster.

Great article on story

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/this-gender-meddling-must-stop/story-e6frfhqf-1226171124121

jace, if you cannot reply to a fellow member here without making an attacking personal comment do not reply to them at all.

Hold on SC, I attacked no one till I responded to these two posts on page 15:


First post:

"Please don't make stuff up. He is only deferring his puberty till 14-15 so he can make a decision then."


Followed by:

"You are saying an 8 year old is changing his sex. Didn't you? Well he isn't. He is only deferring puberty till 15. Please don't act innocent while lying in the broad daylight."

That is when this turned into argument.
Afsaneh said I make things up, then in next post of hers said I was liar. Yet I am getting a warning for replying?

If someone says I am making stuff up, which I was not, then follows it with by saying I'm a liar, I can't respond? SC, look at page 15 and see where this turned from a discussion to a [personal argument.

The story of the same-sex parents seeking to use medical treatment to delay puberty for their son is not the first or most alarming case of parents taking steps to alter or consider altering the sex of the child, but because it involves gay parents, the bigots attach a cause and effect label to this incident while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of adopted children living uneventful lives with same-sex parents. And millions of more children living with a gay parent.

It is fair to question whether the decisions of these parents is prudent. I don't agree with it, but sympathize with all families dealing with children having sexual identity issues. But for people to take this anecdotal incident to argue fatuously that gay parents are inherently wicked and same-sex couples are incapable of raising children is silly. It's a ludicrous attempt to justify their prejudices and bigotry. If this is the best they got, they got nothing.

They made it legal here in Delaware just last night at 11:30pm. Sneaky <deleted explicit words>.

When I went to work this morning, they had the road blocked off. My supervisor claimed that he (whoever pronounces the.....you know......legally married) were going to do a couple of gay weddings today.

I think I even saw some man groups.

IMO, I'm kind of opposed to the idea of actually making it LEGAL. I think that if they want to do it, so be it as long as it doesn't break the rules. I mean people have been doing it for years, but to be legally married is something else. I know what I'm saying is contradicting.

Mainly, I just will be pi$$ed if someone like drugged someone else and then made them marry a guy and had it so they'd agree to this manly marriage. Ian's they abuse their guy and all these other horrible things.

I know I'm paranoid, but after years of being tormented by bullies in school even though that's in the past it took a hefty toll.

If both parties are perfectly absolutely happy with it, I think it's OK.

But if they are going to break rules or we are going to have to pay gay marriage tax, then that's a hefty problem.

There's nothing prejudiced or bigoted about the fact that a men and women each have something unique to offer, as a father and mother, and that it can't be given by two men or two women. The ideal situation for all children is to be raised by a mother and father. No amount of bogus laws will make a homosexual parental household the same or equal in the respect. And anyone who argues otherwise is essentially arguing that the sexes are interchangeable and there's no important or fundamental difference.

Nah, the people who run the Vatican now (and I love the guys, even Pope Benedict, who reminded me of the emperor in Star Wars) are basically models of hyper-morality and only a small minority of Catholics totally agree with them on EVERYTHING.

There's literally a billion Catholics in the world, but I bet only like 50 million are not "cafeteria Catholics" as you seem to define the term.

By the way, the new Pope has declared that atheists are redeemed through Christ by their good works. Do you consider Pope Francis to be a "cafeteria Catholic"? (so far he's awesome, BTW)

Though I agree that forcing adopted children (kids who are desperate to have parents, period) to serve as models for how wonderful it is to be raised by a gay couple is kind of sick. Maybe 100 years from now, if homosexuality is totally accepted by everyone then, but not now.

Catholics not agreeing with their leaders "on everything," as you put it, is exactly what cafeteria Catholicism is - a term I didn't invent by the way. Either Catholics believe their leaders are led by, and speak for, God or they don't. It seems, unfortunately, that more and more it's the latter. Maybe I'm looking at it from the perspective within my church, where it's not open to opinion. The leaders speak and that's that. People are free to accept or reject the teachings but only the delusional ones try to justify themselves.



Well, we're all ultimately redeemed through Christ. And an atheist's good works will certainly help their case. But they will still have to accept the Christ as their Savior and the Gospel. Salvation isn't forced on anyone.



See? There it is again. If homosexuality is totally accepted by everyone 100 years from now? If something is morally wrong, is it really a matter of public opinion?

Pennsylvania's Attorney General won't defend her state in the ACLU lawsuit filed in Federal court against that state's constitutional SSM ban.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...ources_say.html

More political leaders neglecting their duty.

UK will soon fall to the heathens too! (What did one expect from a Tory PM? Pfft.)



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/15/gay-marriage-house-of-lords_n_3599456.html

It just gets worse. Parents bring young sons to camp where they learn to try different gender, and not "Conform" to being boys. If we had a sane society ,we would lock them up for abuse of their kids, and send the boys to better families.



http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2013/0...oys_photos.html

And people question how such a thing as gay marriage doesn't affect society? Well, there you go.

Gay marriage sends the message that there is no important difference between men and women.

This kind of thinking becomes more and more accepted as people just follow along.

And then you get the kind of things we see in that link above.

Sickening.

There was an article about a family turning (ie cutting off parts) their boy into a girl at 6 because he hinted that he like girl's toys.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/24/transg...s-bathroom-ban/

This is going to end well. I feel sorry for the kid most of all.

It's so ridiculous. That 1st grader obviously isn't old enough to be "confused." And it's only going to get worse as these perversions become more accepted in society, championed under the flag of "equal rights" as they are.

even though i don't agree with ivy all the time, he called it!

Bestiality brothels are 'spreading through Germany' warns campaigner as abusers turn to sex with animals as 'lifestyle choice'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...yle-choice.html

I mean, really, there is no principled reason if marriage is about "love" as those that want gay marriage advocate- then there really is no reason not to extent "equal rights" to multiple partner relationships (in fact a very prestigious paper by the leading LBGQFTFC scholars publicly called for this), animal relationships, open relationships (ie no standard of monogamy), the my strange addiction relationships on the TLC show and a hole host of interesting combinations. Those people are also born with their sexual proclivities and should have right to have them recognized.

People that want gay marriage should just be open about it: they dislike the original institution, feel it is sexist/mysoginist/wrong and want to change the institution permanently and in a massive fashion. It is not just a marriage with the general traditional principles of monogamy transplanted to gay couples. It is a entirely new formulation and it is disingenuous to sell it as a the same institution for a new group. Their scholars and intellectuals have said so openly, although primarily in academic circles.

Additionally people need to be honest this does have large effects from schools to non-profit status. CA is already attacking religious and conservative organizations' non profit status for refusing to accept gay marriage/having different stands on homosexuality.

Disclosure: I'm not religious and mostly libertarian about this issue.

While locking up is a bit extreme :roll eyes: I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable with something like this. I think it's too early for boys this age to decide who they are and what gender they should be. Once they are 18 and want to try something new or get a sex change that's okay. But this is pushing the envelope before their even teenagers.

Although I agree that this camp is too extreme, I think there's nothing wrong with boys playing with dolls or girls playing with trucks. I think it's an excellent idea for a boy to learn more about females and how they think, and the same for girls to learn more about males.

Yup. Gay marriage proponents don't want to believe it but what one generation tolerates, the next embraces. And, of course, Western Europe is a bellwether for what's eventually coming here in the U.S.



You would.

I concur, who says the rules can't be bent as long as its appropriate

I love Ivy's absolutist logic. Legalized prostitution hasn't exact expanded in the States. How does gay marriage affect them? Zilch yet it's still a threat. But I can't get in the way of his hysteria, which is typical of the religious right wing's totaltarian mentality across the globe. He and Muslim Brotherhood should hook up sometime.

Don't stand with them. Stand with us for freedom!

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