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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: 12thStreet]
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07/16/13 02:30 PM
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jonnynonos
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: 12thStreet]
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07/16/13 04:28 PM
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GaryMartin
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Re: Today's Outfit
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07/16/13 05:28 PM
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F_white
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A far cry from the old days
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: ChiTown]
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07/16/13 05:45 PM
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jonnynonos
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Well I'm sure all the current powerbrokers in the Outfit from Solly D to Jimmy I will be upset to learn you are no longer a fan.
Jimmy I is a multimillionaire who lives comfortably and stays out of the limelight like most Chicago mobsters. He's been around since the 1950s and has worked with everyone from Joe B to Harry Aleman to Turk to Frank Calabrese. Never been a fan. Yeah, those guys have done a real bang up job. The Outfit at one time was an extremely powerful organization, preposterously powerful, really. It may have been vile but it was undeniably powerful. Today it's basically the equivalent of a bunch of fifth rate hubcap thieves. So saying the above people are "power brokers" is like saying the manager of a fried chicken stand is a "mover and shaker" in the restaurant industry by comparison.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: ChiTown]
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07/16/13 05:47 PM
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HuronSocialAthletic
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Well I'm sure all the current powerbrokers in the Outfit from Solly D to Jimmy I will be upset to learn you are no longer a fan.
Jimmy I is a multimillionaire who lives comfortably and stays out of the limelight like most Chicago mobsters. He's been around since the 1950s and has worked with everyone from Joe B to Harry Aleman to Turk to Frank Calabrese. Everything This guy said. JI is absolutely devastated that some pedestrian forum poster isn't a "fan" of his lol. Difronzo was never half the gangster that Jimmy I & Solly D were, by the way.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: jonnynonos]
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07/16/13 05:58 PM
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Is anyone even gonna care about this crap once DiFronzo is gone?
The only living gangsters I find remotely interesting are Lumbo, DiFronzo and Marcello.
Most of the rest strike me as third rate clowns who wouldn't be changing tires on work cars in the old days and have no real meaningful connection to the powerful entity that once existed. Jimmy I may be many things -- an extortionist, a murderer, a killer - but he is no clown. The Outfit is a shadow of its former self and I think Ivy League is pretty well on point with his posts on this site - but Inendino has MUCH respect on the street and is smart enough to keep himself behind the scenes while people like Joe Fosco and Chuck Goudie go on and on about BOSS JOHN DIFRONZO. Mike Sarno was never a boss -- he is a frightening human being lol but is just a made guy who had a crew of associates working for him. He was never the Boss of Cicero, Chicago, or anything for that matter...These Outfit postings will get pretty interesting when DiFronzo is no longer around though. I think things will change and some muscle flexing may occur on the streets --not to the level of places like Philly in the 90's, but The Outfit won't go quietly into that good night
As far as I can tell, for me, personally, once the above three guys are gone I probably won't be any more interested in the present Outfit than I am, say, organized crime in Cleveland, which is to say not at all. DiFronzo most definitely makes things intriguing. Never before has a sitting boss retreated as he has and never has one BEEN able to retreat as he has. Correctly, knowledgeable posters like Ivy and Chicago will tell you this is part due to weakness and the inability of Cicero/26th St to do much of anything about it. Even if they did, though, it wouldn't be a smart move whether or not DiFronzo is a dry snitch. The Outfit has spent so many years trying to hide in the shadows again the last 20 years but a move on DiFronzo but put them right back in the crosshairs of the Federal Government. It does make for an interesting discussion, though...:)
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: HuronSocialAthletic]
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07/16/13 06:03 PM
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"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"
I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.
Fosco, is That you?? Relax Riccobene's. You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want. My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: jonnynonos]
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07/16/13 06:12 PM
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HuronSocialAthletic
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"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"
I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.
Fosco, is That you?? Relax Riccobene's. You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want. My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days. Ricobenes the restaurant? I don't get it.... Jimmy I is like 6 years younger than Johnny. What's your point? He's been more active than Johnny & ran with a tougher, more lucrative crew during the heydey. The infelice crew was pulling in $25 million cash a year off their rigged casinos & bookmaking interests alone, and That was in 1993. Jimmy I & solly d ran that crew. Once again, your point? You're just mentioning names that have been glorified in the papers & on television.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: HuronSocialAthletic]
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07/16/13 06:36 PM
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"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"
I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.
Fosco, is That you?? Relax Riccobene's. You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want. My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days. Ricobenes the restaurant? I don't get it.... Jimmy I is like 6 years younger than Johnny. What's your point? He's been more active than Johnny & ran with a tougher, more lucrative crew during the heydey. The infelice crew was pulling in $25 million cash a year off their rigged casinos & bookmaking interests alone, and That was in 1993. Jimmy I & solly d ran that crew. Once again, your point? You're just mentioning names that have been glorified in the papers & on television. Inendino is roughly 15 years younger than DiFronzo-not just 6 years. Yes the Southside brass may not have any bad blood NOW, but don't you feel it's quite possible that when Johnny dies that they will try to arm his family for pieces of all those legit businesses and the profits from the offshore casinos??? GREED is what rules in that world-nothing else. Ricca's son got ripped off and Angelo LaPietra's house was about to be burglarized do you REALLY feel that the ill-gotten gains of John Difronzo will be safe????
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: 12thStreet]
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07/16/13 06:46 PM
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HuronSocialAthletic
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"Fifth rate hubcap thieves" "never been a fan"
I didn't think trolls were allowed to post on thus board.
Fosco, is That you?? Relax Riccobene's. You are free to stare longingly at your 8 x 10s of Solly D in his nylon union jacket and $8 haircut and writes sonnets to his masculanity if you want. My point is, I am only really interested in the people who are genuinely connected to what the Outfit once was because, unilke you, I think it is basically a joke these days. Ricobenes the restaurant? I don't get it.... Jimmy I is like 6 years younger than Johnny. What's your point? He's been more active than Johnny & ran with a tougher, more lucrative crew during the heydey. The infelice crew was pulling in $25 million cash a year off their rigged casinos & bookmaking interests alone, and That was in 1993. Jimmy I & solly d ran that crew. Once again, your point? You're just mentioning names that have been glorified in the papers & on television. Inendino is roughly 15 years younger than DiFronzo-not just 6 years. Yes the Southside brass may not have any bad blood NOW, but don't you feel it's quite possible that when Johnny dies that they will try to arm his family for pieces of all those legit businesses and the profits from the offshore casinos??? GREED is what rules in that world-nothing else. Ricca's son got ripped off and Angelo LaPietra's house was about to be burglarized do you REALLY feel that the ill-gotten gains of John Difronzo will be safe???? The difronzos & co Are constructing their legitimate empire in a way Where arming it up will not be So easy. Also, don't think They don't have people in line to take over interests once they're gone. Also, you cannot compare some old has been farts with nothing to lose trying to rob a dead guy's house with what the difronzos have built. I doubt Cicero would just walk into marianos/TFF/D&P headquarters & just announce that ownership has changed hands LOL. You never know, but it would be a lot more elaborate than that. The point is, there is no present beef between EP & Cicero. Everyone gets along just fine & congregates together like they always have. This was a great thread on Jimmy I & modern Cicero that got unfortunately got derailed. Lets get back on track, I'm curious to hear Chicago contribute more on JI.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: 12thStreet]
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07/16/13 08:28 PM
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thebigfella
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Jimmy I is the real deal, he goe's back to the wild bunch, harry aleman and jimmy I done alot of work together, there is alot of interesting guys in chicago, just because u don't read about them dose'nt mean thier not there
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: FriedRavioliFarts]
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07/16/13 09:44 PM
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I don't think hubcap thieves have houses in Burr Ridge, Oak Brook, Barrington, Lake Geneva, and Marco Island. How did Jimmy I. fit into the Butchie/Bors beef?
I dunno if he did fit in Fried Ravioli Farts ( feels weird addressing somebody by that name - lol ) I think that beef was in the late 70's while Jimmy was in the joint..Maybe Chicago or another poster could answer that.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: 12thStreet]
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07/16/13 10:00 PM
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If my understanding is correct, it seems as though DiFronzo genuinely has no role anymore in Outfit affairs. Clearly, he holds the clout to insert himself in what is going on if he wants based upon his power, wealth and history. My question is this: Do you guys think that the true Outfit players (those actually involved in illegal activity) pay DiFronzo any tribute at all? If not, then it seems as though the Cicero crew is really what we all understand as the Outfit. If this is the case, who is at the top of the Outfit. Which of those people mentioned (in prison or out) is the actual boss? Unless law enforcement and/or a turncoat talked specifically on the issue, there's obviously no way we could know. But I wouldn't be surprised if DiFronzo doesn't take anything from anyone other than the close guy immediately around him. He's already got plenty of money anyway. So why take the risk of accepting tribute from the other crews? And you hit on something I've mentioned before. Back in 2007, the FBI said the Outfit was being run in "northern and southern sections." In 2011, the FBI said the Outfit was "down to two or three crews." In hindsight, this all makes sense. The northern section is obviously DiFronzo's Elmwood Park crew - which is basically legit and quasi-legit now. The southern section appears to be the Melrose Park and South Side crews, which are more what many think of when it comes to the Chicago mob. Grand Avenue appears to be defunct. I think I recall Chicago saying what was left of it was absorbed by Elmwood Park. Mike Sarno was never a boss -- he is a frightening human being lol but is just a made guy who had a crew of associates working for him. He was never the Boss of Cicero, Chicago, or anything for that matter...These Outfit postings will get pretty interesting when DiFronzo is no longer around though. If you mean official boss, no. But Sarno was the acting boss, just like Marcello was before him.
Yeah, those guys have done a real bang up job.
The Outfit at one time was an extremely powerful organization, preposterously powerful, really. It may have been vile but it was undeniably powerful.
Today it's basically the equivalent of a bunch of fifth rate hubcap thieves.
While you're wise to see through ChiTown's rah rah propaganda, the Outfit is still considered a viable family. It's just one of the few remaining smaller families outside New York, i.e. more on par with New England or Philadelphia.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: 12thStreet]
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07/16/13 10:49 PM
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Sarno was a front boss. He was a "beard" for Jimmy Inendino. Respect your posts much, Ivy but respectfully disagree. Now we can debate "acting boss" vs "front boss" etc. but in no way would I put Sarno in Marcello's category. Marcello was a true threat capable of solidifying things in what's left of the Outfit. Sarno was a "dem,dese, and dose" kinda guy only known for his brutality and not for his brains. Am curious to hear your take on Inendino though, Ivy. Am amused by some of the rah rah bullshit though on some posts and am shaking my head. We're talking about MURDERERS, all, not a f*cking football team... Well, the FBI considered Sarno the acting boss. Whether he was a front for Inendino or anyone else, I don't know. All I know about Inendino, at least as far as recent years go, is his involvement back in the 2001 Cicero insurance case and a news piece they did a while back about him operating out of a local currency exchange.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
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Re: Today's Outfit
[Re: jonnynonos]
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07/17/13 12:15 AM
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Melrose Park and Cicero Hispanics are everywhere out there.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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