some great insight per usual, gentlemen.

Fosco & I both agree that the LaPietras were the ones that made Jimmy I, but on the other hand, if that indeed is the case, then it would've had taken place in the early 90s, as I'm pretty sure Jimmy, up until the time he got out of the joint the first time in the early 90s, was 100% a Ferriola crew member.

Here's the thing that we need to always keep in mind about the Cicero crew: it was made up of two factions. Carlisi/Marcello & Ferriola/Infelice. Throughout the 80s & up until the mid to late 90s, the Carlisi crew was always dominant over Ferriola's, as Carlisi was Aiuppa's personal underboss. After Black Sam died & Jimmy Marcello went away, you saw the Ferriola crew slowly start to take over via Mike Sarno & his guys, so basically all the guys that were second/third tier in the Ferriola faction during the 80s.

Sarno, who was a Ferriola crew member under Bobby Salerno, married into the Inendino family which catapulted him to the front of the line in the Ferriola crew. In all honesty, Hatch Chiaramonti (Carlisi crew member) probably did deserve to take over Chinatown, or whatever big promotion he was klooking for, but he just didn't have any of his old boys on the street to have his back & support him, and Sarno & his guys (Ferriola) didn't trust him. Same exact situation with Zizzo. So essentially, Ferriola's guys ended up winning out over Carlisi's in the battle for the Cicero crew.

That's exactly why everyone assumes Jimmy I & Solly D are the big bosses now. They were/are both Ferriola/Infelice guys.

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HSC, Jimmy I was part of the Wild Bunch so I'd say he was 100 percent Joe Nicks....agree?

Yeah that's what I'm saying. So if he got made in the mid/late 70s, it would've had to have been via Ferriola, who was with Cicero by then. But most people say that he didn't get made until the early 90s, when he went with Chinatown because all the Ferriola/Infelice guys were locked up.

However, like I said, I have reason to believe he was made & had a crew operating under him by the late 1976.

I have heard that he originally came up on the South Side so him being made by the LaPietras makes sense. I have also heard that he and Toots Caruso run the South Side now with Solly D running Cicero.

Well he was born & grew up on Taylor street but relocated to the south side & has operated out of there for the most part ever since.

Well he was born & grew up on Taylor street but relocated to the south side & has operated out of there for the most part ever since.

Probably old news to most, but here is Fosco's take on the hit.

http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/2414/difronzo-authorized-hit-on-the-hatch/

I have read that but take it with a grain of salt since Fosco hates DiFronzo.

Seems like the theories posited in this thread make more sense, rather than Rudy Fratto clipping a pretty heavy hitter over a few K. Though I still believe Bananas at least gave his placid approval.

Pretty heavy hitter is an understatement, Big Tony was a monster on the streets & one of the most ruthless enforcers that the Outfit ever saw.

So that having been said, do you really think Elmwood Park didn't at least give its tacit approval?

I really don't think they gave a shit either way. I think everyone was happy to have Tony off the streets, the guy was a complete lunatic & had absolutely no respect for the young guys like Toots & Sarno, etc

Agreed. This thread is the first that I've heard that Jimmy I might be on the Southside as opposed to Melrose/Cicero. Are most of you in agreement with this? HSC, any thoughts to my earlier question regarding whether or not Jimmy I and Solly are "setting things right on the streets"?

Also, anyone have this full article regarding Solly's making ceremony? This is only a partial bit of it. Was Solly made at the supposed Como ceremony in 89?


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4090443.html

Another question for you gentleman after re-perusing the discussion thread on ANP...Angelo claims Joey O directly proposed Marco's button. I find that hard to believe. I would think that at the time Joey was still on the street, Marco would have been a pimple on his ass. But I could be wrong.

Second question, Joey was out for a full year before he died. How involved was he? Too sick to run shit?

Way too sick to run anything. He could barely walk proper.

If anyone proposed Marcos making it was O'Brien. Louie Eboli & Marco D'amico were indeed like sons to Aiuppa. Marco became close to him when he moved to Cicero & Aiuppa had known Mooch since he was a young'n in Melrose park. Neighborhood kid/old man mentor type situation.

Copy & paste the entire sun times article, it's only giving non subscribers part of it

Aiuppa needed a walker during his trial so you could only imagine how he was after ten years in the can.

On the topic of Solly D, I recall a funny story I heard somewhere (maybe another board) about Solly D, Aleman, and some other guys in prison and how Aleman got in trouble because he somehow finagled his way into getting a cell all to himself. The same story also talked about Solly D laying in the sun in the prison yard with a piece of cardboard and some tin foil trying to keep his tan up lol. I'll have to see if I can find it, again.

I don't have it..that's why I posted the link was hoping someone on here did and could post it.


Snakes, if you could find the link that would be great. Sounds like an interesting article. Where was he, Milan?

Anthony Calabrese and Robert G. Cooper murdered the Hatch. This used to link to the entire transcript which was pretty interesting reading.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?id=5956633

I forget who hired them. At one point I had come across something that strongly suggested it was someone well known but as I am getting older I have a harder time keeping this stuff straight.

It's been pretty well established that Tough Tony did it...question is who ordered him to?

Are guys like Frank Bonavolante, Richie Gervasio, Vince Falzone, and Joe Cumbo (who were all part of the big Cicero/Carlisi indictment of the early 90s) still around?

Bonavolante died in prison. Not sure about the other two.

He had a brother involved too, no?

Yeah, he's out but there's nothing on him since then so he may very well be a civilian now.

BTW, back to an older conversation, Fosco said that Inendino got made in the early nineties when he got out of prison.