Oh, I certainly agree and I think this aspect of his business is what brought him down. It is very stupid and cowboy. I was just trying to demonstrate a point that he was fearless and was willing to do whatever it took to build up this war chest and financial backing for Ray. This is the only reason why he didi this, just for Ray. Yes it was stupid and this brings me back to my point which is if he was able to get in with the North End guys who turned their nose up at him he could'v been one heck of an enforcer and earner with more traditional LCN things. I don't want to speak for the guy but I know that this is not how he permanently wanted to operate. He wanted to do this for a few more years tops and then hopefully get mad. It was stupid, it did bring heat and led to the death of a poor girl.. Like I said before, Paul made some dumb choices. It didn't work out for him though as he rots in the can forever.

THATS THE NEW GENERATION OF THESE GUYS! The youngest guys that get on with these crews are all cowboys or somebodys son/nephew... Even westside crews.. They may seem to have a real eye for talent, but not every crew runs the same.. Most are motivated by greed, they like a young kid who can shoot. Most crews will do their best to tame guys like that down once they are under their flag. Bodybuilder guys, drug dealers, stick up crews.... its how younger guys make money these days unless they are schooled

A bunch of home invasion/dealer guys around a lot of those crews in belleville, kearny, rutherford, lyndhurst even nice nhoods, nutley, parsippany, montclair, livingston.... about half of italians live in the suburbs now.

i agree with skinny highly unless their schooled or just old school by nature which is few to none then they are fueled by drugs and etc. As far as im concerned they are the first thats needs to be clipped junkies if you deal, use whatever because 99.9 of them is ging to rat esp the junkies users so if it was my choice we would have fuckin drug tests in the fuckin clubs once a week random testing like a fuckin p.o.

Just finished reading The Animal, and now half way through Vinny Teresa's book, my life in the mafia.. Both books talk about the Ferrara-Rossetti wire service out of eastie as being one of the biggest in the country during the 50s and 60s. Anyone know more about this or if there is any relation to those living in the area today? Found an old paper in the link below that talks about it during the McClellan hearings.. enjoy!

http://news.google.com/newspapers

Roman, how was "the Animal"? I was considering reading that next. It's between that and "the Rifleman".

both great reads. The animal was more entertaining. the rifleman is basically a publication of his statements to the government, with many names blacked out which makes it hard to follow at times. lots of great pictures though!

The Rifleman sure has been getting eaten up in cross the past day or so. This trial shows how sick some of these guys were/are.

It's been an interesting week for Pat Nee. First Flemmi fingers him as the mystery second gunman in the back seat of the Halloran hit and Donahue murder, then the Discovery channel comes out with this new reality show where he is a leader in a 'crew' operating out of Southie. I have no idea how such a show on illegal activity could possibly work?? If I were the Donahue family, I'd be pretty pissed off right now. The guy who most likely took part in their Dad's wrong place at wrong time murder is about to make some money on TV because he spent his life as a thug.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013...ey-bulger-trial

How can they make a "reality" show about that? Is there is even any truth to it? and if there is, why would he agree to a show? makes no sense. But very interesting if he's still active. I wonder if that crew knows anything about the deceased bulger witness...

Speaking of which... some hysterical news coverage about missing bulger witnesses...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/everyone-in-whitey-bulger-trial-found-dead-in-wood

Nee has always been rumored to have been the mystery shooter. As for operating a crew, he always has been and never stopped.

Yeah, Nee was pretty clear in his book that he didn't regret anything at all except not killing Bulger when he had a chance, not surprised if he went back at it. Nee's already gotten away with one attempted murder, why not the full deal? The reality show thing is flat-out bizarre unless it's a complete fake set-up.

Yea the show is real, but they already said some things would be "re-enacted" so it will be like the Amish Mafia crap they showed earlier this year or last year.

Whitey's lawyer wants to subpoena Nee and make him appear, and the prosecutors said Nee could still face charges (even though they act like it wont happen). It is expected he would plead the 5th though if he shows up but the judge acted like "something" would happen before hand to stop that (I say he gets immunity, but the Feds acted like they would not give him immunity)

What I want to know is what does Nee have on the state or gov't for him to NOT be hit with murder charges yet? If the jury believe ANYTHING Flemmi or Weeks said in court they definitely have a case right now.

I would love to see Née get jammed up. He's a real POS and he deserves it.

40 year old news story on the animal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvlhcUHVk64

Flemmi finally done, defense wants to recall Martorano, also wants to bring Nee forward whose lawyer has already sent word to prosecutors he will plead the 5th. Prosecutors will not give immunity.

Crazy times. Nee could be in trouble very soon.

And I thought this trial was going to be pretty boring since after all of the revelations of last 15 years; what other secrets were there to learn? What roller-coaster ride.

Actually, I think it has been boring except for the occasional outburst between a witness and whitey.

I think this is the only trial in history where not a single piece of evidence has been shown except for the testimony of fellow rats...

Yea not much new from what was known other than Pat Nee being fingered by two witnesses now (Flemmi said it was him, Weeks said he thought it was him). I forget most of Martorano's testimony though. So the Nee stuff is probably the most interesting so far other than azguy said, the typical "fuck you" from Weeks and Flemmi to Whitey, and "you're a fucking liar" from Davis to Flemmi.

Flemmi sounded like a complete idiot in his testimony, Weeks pretty much nailed it. Flemmi stumbled in cross, had about 5 different testimonies in 5 different trials, even claimed he forgot about "this and that" on important issues especially about strangling Davis. Even though most of his testimony was probably true, in the eyes of the jury he is probably discredited.

I'm not saying Whitey should go free, but what single piece of evidence do they have on him except of testimony of rats and fellow criminals...??

This while thing has been very anticlimactic..IMHO

Plus, someone killed Stippo Rakes, is that going to be just pushed under the carpet..

Even if they can't prove any of the murder charges, there is enough extortion charges against him (that have been told by completely straight victims) to put him away for life. Furthermore, if all that fails, he admitted to the CA FBI that all the guns and money found in Santa Monica were his. Just the gun charges alone in the state of CA are enough to put him away for life. There is absolutely NO WAY he walks the streets a free man ever again. If he lived another 100 years, he'll never be free.

Furthermore, Weeks and Martorano were rock solid and their stories have never changed. There wasn't much if any damage done during cross examination of those two. I agree that Flemmi was a disaster but if he dropped dead a day before the trial they could easily get a conviction without him.

Yep I'm with LF on this, there are enough charges OTHER than murder that they have Whitey on. He can still claim they were ok'd by being informants, but of course Whitey is claiming he was never one so he wouldn't have any protection. So just an extortion charge would be a death penalty for him anyways. LF also nailed it that Weeks and Martorano were rock solid even though Carney wants to recall Martorano (I haven't read the coverage today yet) to try to discredit someone (I think Flemmi but it actually could be Martorano). But O'Neill nailed it as well, so there is enough to say good night for Whitey.

Yea I was surprised they threw Flemmi up there in that shape. He absolutely bombed in cross. I thought he would hold up better than that but Carney made him out to look like a pedophile maniac in which that is what he is. But to me, Weeks should have been the "star witness" as he held up against all they could throw at him and then some (as well as Martorano). Neither stumbled and goofed like Flemmi.

I'm still waiting to hear more on Stippo too. I'm surprised it's been "this quiet" so far on him.

Here are today's highlights:

Both sides say this could go to jury next week "IF" Whitey doesn't testify. With a lot of the defense witnesses being taken off, this could mean Whitey would have to testify and that would be classic and deluded at the same time I imagine.

Monday: FBI Agents-Crawford, Cronin Davis, Joe Kelly, Todd Richards, Jim Siracusa. Then Marion Hussey and Heather Kaufman possibly if done in time.

Tuesday: Dan Doherty, Steve Johnson, Seideropolis, Pat Nee, Bob Fitzpatrick and Martorano.

Carney said they would let the judge know by then if Whitey takes the stand or not.

They are calling Martorano back to discredit Flemmi, which to me is a waste of time considering how bad he looked to begin with. They want him to say Flemmi told him that "he accidentally strangled Davis". Also the Government rested their case today.

And one more thing, Whitey is NOT charged with the guns and fake ID's in California yet. I imagine it would come later if he got a light sentence which I don't see anyways. This would easily bury him for life but not sure they are going to bother if he's convicted in Boston.

I wanna hear that Tommy Donohue comes into the courtroom one of these days and shoots bulger in the face

I fixed it for you.

yaeh tommy guy likes being on ch.4,5,7,10 every friggin day at 12,4,5,6pm wanting justice or his 15mins. his accent is bad. friggin is a boston word swear ta garwd. wonder how guy makes a living who can go to court for the whole summer while not being a lawyer or defendant. its wrong they threw out his fathers wrongfull death suit. fbi plays by there own rules up here. wyshaks a weasel. guy really wanted to put whiteys brother billy next to him just to get some more national headlines. wyshak was down in nyc busting up gotti guys in the 80tys wonder why he came back up here.

Ouch.....lol

Does anyone know anything about Mr. Ferranto (NOT Ferrara), who has been dead for a few years now?

no